Episode 094 – Johnny Nguyen

Johnny Nguyen 0:00
And I tell them all the time I’ve written a long post about it. But you know, I’ll say it again, those page scores are, they’re not built for WordPress, they’re not built for any CMS, in particular, they’re just general guidelines. And some of them are valid and apply to all websites. And some of them don’t apply to all websites. And most people don’t know which things matter and which things don’t. And if you try to optimize your site, to get that hundred percent score, you actually might be making your site slower.

Richard Matthews 0:34
So yeah,

I remember having that discussion with you with a client of mine because we were like, the only thing that matters is the page load time. And we brought the page load time from eight seconds to like between point eight and 1.2 seconds. And the client was like, but we’re still we still have a B on this page, or how do we make it a 100, or an A, or whatever. I was like, but your page load speeds are excellent — Better than that.

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Welcome back to The Hero Show. My name is Richard Matthews. And today I am on the line with Johnny. And Johnny is the founder of Johnny VPS, a performance web host. And what was the name of the blog?

Johnny Nguyen 2:18
WPJohnny.

Richard Matthews 2:20
WPJohnny, which is performance WordPress. And we actually got connected a while back because you helped take over a lot of my clients, websites from WordPress managed hosting stuff, and all of my clients are super excited with the speed and performance that you guys have been able to provide their-. So, why don’t you tell us a little bit about what you guys are known for? What you do professionally and why clients come to you?

Johnny Nguyen 2:44
Yeah, I’ve been while I’ve been on the

I’ve been on the web for I think it’s coming close to 20 years. So I have a long background in IT and networking and development, design, and the youth. I’ve done it all. At some point, once you start building big enough sites or your sites get big or your clients get big, we started dealing with speed issues. And that was a whole other can of worms that you typically don’t see with smaller clients because their sites are so simple. They don’t have millions of traffic. Once we started dealing with bigger clients, we had no choice but to figure out how to give them higher performance, how to speed up their sites, and speed up their servers. And, this issue, this scaling issue started, I think about 2010 was when I started dealing with sites that were just getting unruly. And most sites back then if you don’t get over 10,000 users or 100,000 users a month mark, who you don’t see these issues, but once you reach that point, all your plugins start to come apart, all your themes come apart, you start to realize anything that’s making inefficient database queries slows down. So, we had no choice. But to go back and just rewrite everything from scratch. We redid our themes from scratch. There were many plugins that were either abandoned or just weren’t written all that well, we redid that. And then, came to the server part around then virtualization technology was just it was becoming the new thing. So, back then you either had cheap crappy shared hosting, or the super expensive dedicated servers were nothing in between. Now, fortunately, the whole VPS thing came on, people figured out a way to virtualize servers, which means you would take a giant dedicated server, chop it up into smaller chunks, more affordable chunks for that, for the medium-sized businesses, and we started optimizing on there. And the software wasn’t so friendly at the time. So we really, everything was very manual was very it was not easy. Or friendly at all, you didn’t have all these cute services that you pay 10 bucks a month for and gives you an interface and all that we had to do everything manually, command line. Tools didn’t exist. You, code everything from scratch.

Richard Matthews 5:13
So, that’s how you got started into the virtual private server space. What is it? What is it sort of like, now that you guys I know JohnnyVPS is sort of taken off a little bit and growing and so just the hosting space is in a different, different world now than it was.

Johnny Nguyen 5:33
Definitely. WordPress has gotten so evolved. It’s gotten so much more complicated. There’s more bloat, more features, more functions, and there are more users. I think back then. WordPress was more – it was still like for developers and designers only or webmasters. People were very tech-savvy. And now, it’s starting to be used by people who don’t even know anything about the internet.

Richard Matthews 6:00
They don’t even know what a website is, but they know what WordPress is, they don’t understand the idea of a CMS. So, for them the website world is WordPress. Wix, Weebly, Squarespace, Shopify. That’s it. So, yeah, lots of change, things have gotten more bloated.

Johnny Nguyen 6:19
And it’s nice because we have this long background in dealing with performance. And now that it’s becoming a trend, people are open to paying more for it before, nobody wanted to pay more than $10 a month for hosting. It was unheard of. Now, people are willing to pay $50-$100 just to host one site, because they appreciate the speed. And to some degree, higher performance servers have also come down in price, right? It used to be 5000 a month for anything that was fast. And now, it’s much more affordable for $20 a month you can get a pretty, pretty solid server.

Richard Matthews 6:56
Yeah,

And I know, like, our clients, we went from one of these managed services, that’s nothing wrong with them. But once they hit a certain size, we couldn’t get our page load speeds under like eight seconds. And we moved them over to the virtual private servers that you guys offer in just the better server all by itself brought their page load times under a second and a half. Which is really good for an e-commerce store. That means more money in the bank. So, it’s really potent stuff.

Johnny Nguyen 7:28
Yeah. Oh,

Definitely. It makes all the difference.

So, we talked pretty regularly on the show about you know, our entrepreneurs. We like your origin story, your particular origin story, right? every hero has their origin stories where you started to realize that you were different. Maybe you had superpowers, and maybe you could use it to help bring value to other people. How did you get started in the entrepreneur space? You said you’ve been working online for 20 years, how did you get into becoming an entrepreneur?

Um,

I was always

I was always fascinated by business and what first drew me to it was because I thought I could make a lot of money and that was I think that’s the first appeal you see these books. I don’t like Rich Dad Poor Dad or something, giving generic books and you think oh, okay, if I do this I’m gonna make a gajillion dollars and so I started my IT business like that, and I made some pretty good money when I was really young. I bought a house at 20 years old. And it was good, but it just felt like he had to work your life away. Then I pivot in and in one defining moment, I had aI broke up with my longtime girlfriend she complained that I wasn’t spending enough time with her and that was a total workaholic and this that and then she left. And when she left my entire Empire just crumbled. It collapsed in words on itself. And I just had an epiphany. I said you know what, I never want to be a, I never want to be a workaholic anymore. I want to find a different kind of business where I’m not grinding away. And not only that, but it feels fun and feels like I’m empowering people.

Back then I was doing huge corporate contracts. And it just felt like these million or billion-dollar companies were buying out my life at $100 or $150 an hour. That’s what it felt, buying my life out. So, I said, You know what, I don’t want to do that. It has to be fun. It has to be and it can’t be like on-call work where they call me and it’s always an emergency and I feel like a computer paramedic.

So I started working in the online world, you can work remotely. I was traveling a lot and working from all the time I was working from Europe from South America from Asia.

Richard Matthews 10:07
Nice.

Johnny Nguyen 10:08
So I changed my lifestyle a bit and if I could say, my superpower I mean, aside from being able to grind and have no life and read 1000 pages about any material, I think that’s one power. But I think the real superpower is to just whatever client that you work with whatever industry that you work with, like, you have to spend the time to know what makes the difference.

Richard Matthews 10:42
For that client.

Johnny Nguyen 10:43
Yes, for that client, and to know what makes the difference in their industry. I think that as a web designer, or as an SEO person or as an ads person, you always feel like your power is the answer to all their problems. And it’s a trap, I think it’s a trap, you have to solve anybody’s problems I try to shut myself up and let them do all the talking and once they’ve talked long enough, actually the answer just emerges very naturally. And that’s how we do our design work or development work or when we did our marketing and our SEO and our ads and any of that. We just let the client talk themselves in circles and about their industry and their competitors and what things their customers liked the most about him and the answer comes very naturally I don’t think it comes from us personally.

Richard Matthews 11:45
It’s funny, I was watching the movie Knives Out with my wife last night. And one of the lines in the movie, the main detective character says, “We just follow the arc of the true or Follow the arc of the story and the truth. unerringly lands at my feet, right? It’s kind of sounds like that kind of thing, that if you just let the story play, if you just let them tell it it is the truth will land at your feet. Yeah, and let you know what you actually need to do to help those clients.

Johnny Nguyen 12:14
Yeah, he’s like, I’m gonna, I’m a passive observer. He’s like, I’m just gonna be a passive observer. I’m not gonna be all over your business. But I think it helps. And it’s a whole lot less effort in trying to find solutions. You just have to sit there, observe, observe, observe, try some things. And, you know, usually, any business that I’ve seen that has grown a lot, they’ve just listened to their customers, really. Your customers will tell you what they want and then just do it.

So if I’m hearing you correctly, well, it’s your superpower as you listen to your customers and then do what they ask.

Richard Matthews 12:56
It makes it sound easier than it is not gonna lie.

Johnny Nguyen 13:02
Well, I think that’s how it is, right? You spent all these years learning all kinds of tricks and tools and tactics and methods. And when you finally, when you finally figure it out, it’s actually, it’s logic. It’s common sense.

Richard Matthews 13:18
Absolutely. So my next question for you, if you’re, if the superpower is we boil it down to listening and implementing with your clients, you’re the flip side of that is your fatal flaw. So, just like Superman has his Kryptonite?

You know, we all have something that we struggle with in our with our own selves that we struggle with. What is that for you? And more importantly, how have you dealt with that, you know, whatever that thing is, it’s held you back in your business. So, people who might suffer from something similar can learn a bit from your mistakes.

Johnny Nguyen 13:47
I’ve wasted a lot of time, chasing, chasing problems that didn’t need to be solved.

Richard Matthews 13:53
So how do you determine when a problem doesn’t need to be solved? Like when do you figure that out?

Johnny Nguyen 13:58
Well, okay, I have an OCD, perfectionist personality. So, for example, let’s say, design problem that doesn’t need to be solved. We’ll design a site for a client. And they love it. They say, Johnny, I love it. launch it tomorrow, we’re ready to go. And I’ll say no, I’ll say no because something about the menu bothers me. I want to rebalance it. So I’ll sit there nudging it left and right, moving it a few pixels this way, that way, you know, subtly changing the colors, something like that wasting a whole bunch of time, or, it’s a programming issue where one of our programmers solved the issue, but it wasn’t the way I want it. So, I’ll sit there and insist that we try to get it right the most perfect, proper, efficient way possible. Even though the clients happy the programmers happy on paper, the problem is solved. But for me, I like to go back in and go, let’s open it up. Let’s see if we can write it a little differently. So that would be my –

Richard Matthews 15:09
I can put my own little, my little stamp on it. Yeah, I’m not gonna lie, I’ve done that thing with the menu before where like, everyone else is fine with it. I’m sitting here, like maybe if we adjusted a few pixels-. And my wife tells me sometimes I obsess a little over the pixels on the screen being in the wrong spot, which – So, I totally get you there.

My next question for you has to do with your common enemy. So, the way we frame the common enemy question is basically when you bring clients on, it’s something that you fight against with them, like their mindset, something that you have to constantly help your clients overcome in order for them to get better, faster results. Maybe if you had a magic wand, and you could just remove it from all your clients. You know that you could solve their problems better, cheaper, faster, what would that be for you?

Johnny Nguyen 15:57
Well, in the WordPress speed world, its clients that are trying to optimize for those page scores. For gt metrics, Pingdom, the Google page insights. And I tell them all the time, I’ve written a long post about it. But you know, I’ll say it again, those page scores are, they’re not built for WordPress, they’re not built for any CMS, in particular, they’re just general guidelines. And some of them are valid and apply to all websites. And some of them don’t apply to all websites. And most people don’t know which things matter and which things don’t. And if you try to optimize your site, to get that hundred percent score, you actually might be making your site slower.

Richard Matthews 16:50
So, I remember having that discussion with you with a client of mine because we were like, the only thing that matters is the page load time and we brought the page load time from eight seconds to like between point eight and 1.2 seconds. And the client was like, but we still have a B on this page score, how do we make it a 100 or an A or whatever. And I was like, but your page load speeds are excellent. why would you want much better than that? So, I assume you deal with that all the time, then.

Johnny Nguyen 17:22
All the time. And I get people I tell them, Look, this is my professional opinion. And this is what I would do. This is what I would recommend for even my most high end, most expensive clients, even my brother if it was my own family member, this is what I would recommend. But if you want something different, I’ll gladly do it for you. But I’m just going to lay it out for you. I’ll lay out all the information. I’ll give you the links you read on your own or don’t read it. I’ll do exactly what you say. But, at this point, it’s your choice. It’s not what I want to do. It’s not what I recommend.

Richard Matthews 18:00
Yeah

It’s an interesting conversation you have to have with the speed and performance because it’s like I don’t know what you call it that it’s that whole like these things have been propped up as like experts in the space without actually like they’re not actually experts at the thing that you’re trying to accomplish. Also, they’re just sort of generic

Johnny Nguyen 18:17
Oh yeah, I mean, you know that it’s like the type of patient that goes online reads Web MD and then, goes into their doctor and argues with their doctor right so yeah

Richard Matthews 18:34
Absolutely. So my the flip side of that right if the so if you’re constantly fighting against those kinds of things with your speed stuff, what is it that you actually fight for on the other side, right, so you’re driving force just like Spider-Man fights to save New York or Batman fights to save Gotham or Google fights to index, categorize all the world’s information. What is it that you guys are fighting for over at JohnnyVPS?

Johnny Nguyen 18:54
The way I feel about it is that we’re not trying to save the world. We’re just trying to save our clients, we prioritize everything that we do anything that we invent or create or, or strategize about, it’s for our existing client base because we want to help them, they’re the most important. I don’t care about new clients or somebody else dying across the street. That’s not my concern. I care about our clients first. But once we find the cure, we share it with the world. So that’s my driving force.

We help our people and then and then we share. We share our findings with the rest of the world so that others, you know, other server guys, or other programmers or other speed experts can also help their clients in the same manner. And, whatever they do with it good for them and I hope likewise, other people who have found the cure can also share what they found with us. So, I feel like we’re a bunch of Scientists, basically.

Richard Matthews 20:02
So, is that how you’re sort of your two brands tie together where you have the VPS where you guys you know do all the creation and learning with your clients and then the blog where you guys share your findings?

Johnny Nguyen 20:13
Pretty much.

Richard Matthews 20:17
That’s a cool model

Johnny Nguyen 20:20
You know what? It’s a lot of fun because we do have a development arm of our business, but it’s not advertised we typically don’t, we’re not looking for new development clients, we have enough referrals but it’s really cool because we get to work with the coolest sites, the coolest projects and you know, they give us challenges that we wouldn’t be able to find anywhere else. And with you know, with what we learn, we share as much as we can.

Richard Matthews 20:50
Absolutely. So, my next question for you is more practical, right? We call it the heroes tool belt maybe got a big magical hammer like Thor or a blue vest-like your neighborhood police officer. What is one of the tools that you use a sort of on an everyday basis that you couldn’t run your business without maybe that’s, something that you guys use internally or client management tool or something you guys use on all your projects, you know, just practical tool that you guys just absolutely love and use every day in your business?

Johnny Nguyen 21:18
Got it? Yes. So, for the development side. I think all our programmers, like Visual Studio Code. And then, of course, there’s like certain extensions for them. They like that. They use that for all their coding and programming. Flywheel Local, that’s a really useful, super simple program to use. So you can run a local web server right off your computer. So, you can do your development, your staging work, all your coding, and then they’ll use GitHub. They’ll push it to GitHub. Just to update their plugins or themes.

Richard Matthews 22:03
So, just out of curiosity, do you recommend that most people like most businesses have some sort of local development instead of actually like changing things on their main websites like testing plugins and that kind of stuff?

Johnny Nguyen 22:21
I move the map. I’m off the mindset personally for me. I don’t believe in staging. I push it to live. I don’t, I don’t care. If a template breaks, I’m usually prepared for it. If WooCommerce starts to look weird. After the update, I know where to go to restore the styles or turn off whatever new styles that got put on. And I think there are many developers like that. It’s just that some of them do it in a more logical and methodical way and another’s are just doing it because they are lazy.

Richard Matthews 23:04
It’s interesting because it depending on who you talk to in the development space, some people are like, hey, if you make a change to your lives, your live website without testing and staging for us first that’s like cowboy coding and you’re gonna blow everything up and you deserve whatever money you lose. And other people, if you do it safely, it’s just fine. So I was just curious what your thoughts were on that?

Johnny Nguyen 23:22
I feel like for most changes, I mean, here’s the thing, right? It’s like, why do we even have staging? Some people have staging sites because it allows them to develop something and have a temporary place for it until it’s ready to go live. That’s legit. I think that’s a really legit use for staging because you just need some other place to do your draft work. But if you’re using staging to mimic a live site or a live server, that’s going to be very different display for the larger sites for the really big sites, you kind of don’t know. You don’t know if it’s really going to work and the staging environment doesn’t match the traffic of the live environment, or there are just certain things that you can’t for whatever reason,

Richard Matthews 24:13
You can’t actually stage a million visitors to come to your staging site and see what impact it has.

Exactly. And I mean, there are many other scenarios too. I just don’t remember off the top of my head right now. And I wanted to say because we do development, we do web hosting for web hosting stuff. I like it’s called, okay, the acronym is W-H-M-C-S. It’s a web hosting system. So I think that’s been really essential. We connect all our servers to it and I will say once you met once you have to manage over a certain number of servers. That software has been instrumental to help all of us, all the staff and admins are able to jump quickly in and out of different servers. We use Slack as well. For our own internal communication and also for our clients, so we have a cool thing where we have a Slack channel for our dedicated VPS clients. And that’s been a lot of fun.

It’s been fun being in there for our staff, as well. But the W-H-M-C-S you guys use it. And then, one of our other, we have a Mac Mini in the cloud. And that company that we have our Mac Mini hosted with uses it too. And it’s nice to have, like, as a client to have the same sort of like software setup to get in and manage your servers. So, I think it works both ways, at least if you guys like it from a company standpoint, it’s also really easy to use from our side. The people who are consuming.

It’s great.

So, my next question for you has to do with your own personal heroes, right. So, just like Frodo had Gandalf or Luke had Obi-Wan or like you mentioned Robert Kiyosaki had his Rich Dad, who were some of your heroes, were they real-life mentors, speakers or authors, peers who maybe a couple of years ahead of you, and how important are they to what you’ve accomplished so far?

Johnny Nguyen 25:59
Okay. My daily heroes are the guys I work with. I learned a lot from them. And they’ve taught me a lot. And so I would say the first guy comes to mind is Walter Lopez. So, he’s a Genesis developer. Well, he’s a WordPress developer. And he specializes in anything with the Genesis theme. He can work with all themes and plugins and all that, but he, he’s basically our main senior developer, and he, I mean, just everything. Code auditing, code, cleaning, code, refactoring, doing custom stuff, and just fixing things out even there are mature plugins on the market that that still have their own little mistakes or errors or whatever. And he’s been able to go in there and fix that for us. So, I’ve learned a lot from him. And I can’t even I can’t say enough about him. He’s my hero. He’s my hero. The other guy – one of our longest server admins. He’s in Indonesia. He has a background in enterprise web hosting. He comes from one of the really big companies out there. I forgot the name, right now. And he’s been great. He’s built a lot of our server stack and adjusted and supported. And when we got hacked, he was the one that was able to go in there and quickly, find out where it was coming from which user account, which file which processes, etc, etc. So he saved that. And then, another guy who I think nobody knows and his name is Craig. And Craig is a, he’s a British guy. I think he’s living in Thailand. He’s in Thailand right now, just being an ex-pat. And he’s a designer. He’s really saved my life a lot. But, I think people really underestimate the power of a great design, especially when it comes to development, or creating ads that really get the clicks, that really gets your attention. So, he’s helped me in our internal business, he’s developed a lot of our websites and our graphics and all that. But he’s also done his magic for some of our clients. And I absolutely love design. And I’m extremely OCD about it. I’m like you, I’m like a pixel pusher. So to have a designer that understands what I want without me having to spell out everything. And we’ve worked together for like many years now. So I’ve lost track, but those are the main three. Those are the big three for me.

Richard Matthews 28:32
And that’s awesome. And is that your whole team or is that just a small portion of it?

Johnny Nguyen 28:37
I would say this is our core team. Like, these are the four of us that know each other. And then, there are a few other characters like but they only know me or they only know Craig or they only know Walter.

Richard Matthews 28:51
That makes sense.

Johnny Nguyen 28:52
This is the core of the Fantastic Four.

Richard Matthews 28:55
Awesome, I love that you hold your team in such high heights. in high regard. That’s cool, cool place to be. So, I got one last question for you for the interview. And it’s about your guiding principles, right? So top one or two principles or actions that you use regularly today that you think to contribute to the success and influence that you guys enjoy. Maybe something you wish you’d known when you first started out as an entrepreneur all these years ago.

Johnny Nguyen 29:18
I would say you have to know your internal work rhythm. So, I’d like to say this before too with other people. I’m a project kind of guy. And there’s a project, they’re project people and then there’s like, consistent people like that routine people. So and what I mean by that there are people who work really well be every day. Every day they put in whatever their set number four or 5-6-7-8 hours, and they’re in and out and they do a fantastic job. They’re always reliable, they’re always dependable, they catch all the details and they don’t miss a day. So there’s that kind of person and they work really well in that structure and then there are people like me. I do fantastic work for three months where it looks like I’m working 20 hours a day. It probably is and then I’m just completely lazy and I disappear off the grid and you’re three months.

Richard Matthews 30:22
And you’re worthless.

Johnny Nguyen 30:25
I’m worthless. Everything is delegated. I don’t check my emails. But that’s just me. I’m not consistent at all when I’m inspired and motivated and charged. I just explode everything happens all at once. And after that, I go eat ice cream, I do sports, I travel, I just disappear. So, that unfortunately is has been the most productive way for me and I think everyone just they have to know right and you have to know This about yourself, but you also have to know this about your co-workers. And if you’re working with the project person, you have to understand that they’re going to do incredible work. But at any moment, when they switch off, they’re off. You can’t get mad at them. You can’t yell at them. You can’t demand anything, and then just wait until they come back on again. And then there are other people who you know, they’re like the everyday people, you have the first set number hours in that set. And once it’s, you know, 30 minutes past their off time, they don’t pick up their phone anymore. So like that as well.

Richard Matthews 31:33
That’s really interesting. I think I’m probably more on the project side, too. You know, if you’re making that dichotomy where I will, I don’t think I’ve ever gotten quite the whole three months thing, but I’m definitely like, I will push through a whole project until it’s done and then once it’s done, I’m like, I’m off until I get the next thing. I’ll go and go and play or do something else. I spend a lot of time with my kids nowadays. Yeah. I totally feel you there. So, that basically wraps up the interview. You got one more thing we do. It’s not really a question more of we call it a Hero’s Challenge. It’s pretty simple. Basically this you have someone in your life, in your network that you think has a cool entrepreneurial story. Who are they? First names are fine. And why do you think they should come to share their story with the guests or with the audience here on our show?

Johnny Nguyen 32:15
Well, I probably have to, I’d have to nominate Walter. This guy has sat with me in the trench, the coding trenches, he’s helped he’s – He and I were up late-night together, trying to solve clients issues. A server outage code breaking website, launch this, and that we’ve sat with each other through some really difficult really stressful projects. But he would be the guy. What’s his story? I think you got to get it from him.

Richard Matthews 32:46
Why do you think he should share his story with he’s got a story we’ll see about getting him on.

Johnny Nguyen 32:50
I think he’s just a really great person. And aside from being a good person, it’s the way that he looks at problems that you feel like anybody can solve any problem. He’s a very – how to say it. I guess you could say understated genius.

Richard Matthews 33:11
That’s cool.

He can look at anything and find the answer but not in like a complicated show-offy way. He just kind of looks at and goes okay well let’s try this or I think it’s this way. I think it’s that way. And he’d explained it to you where, even you feel like you could have solved it yourself.

Awesome. So, at this point thank you so much for coming on the show Johnny, I really appreciate it. Where can people find you if they’re interested in maybe having you guys host their sites or you know, get some speed performance stuff done, or maybe even get custom development done? Where can they find you? And then the second question, Who are the types of clients that should reach out if they’re listening to you, I think I need to reach out to Johnny.

Johnny Nguyen 33:50
So I have my WordPress blog. It’s https://wpjohnny.com/. I review anything related to plugins, but also I love designs and performance. I mean, I’m sorry, I review everything about WordPress performance, servers, cache plugins, different speed tactics. But we also cover a lot of design work and just business plugins, everyday plugins that would help any business or WordPress site owner. And then we have our, our https://johnnyvps.com/ that’s our web hosting service. So, the best kind of clients for us. Really, if you know what we do, you want speed, you want performance, or at the very least, you just want to talk to someone who’s going to give you the honest scoop on what they think you should do with your site. We’re for you. You can find me on Facebook groups. I’m always out there, giving free help and whatnot. You can find me on my website, we have a YouTube channel. But yeah, we’ll help everybody we can. And if you want to hire us or have us, you know, consult with us. We’re happy to help you out any way that we can. Any size, no job to – basically.

Richard Matthews 35:03
And if I can give you just a plug as well, because that like the way that it went down for us as I was actually doing some research on speed for a client and found what the big long post that you were talking about, I actually read through that whole thing. And then, I saw you posting on one of the Facebook groups that I was in, reached out to you and we got some of our sites moved over and just immediately had a tremendous impact on our site speed and found out later that some of my other like pals in the business industry, where using your service, as well. And I was like, how come you didn’t tell me about Johnny? Right? I needed to know sooner. So, this is for my audience out there if you’re listening and you are if like if your site’s not loading and under like three seconds, reach out to Johnny, right? Talk to him about their VPN service. If you do anything where you’re exchanging goods, goods for goods, or services for money and you use the internet in any way. He could probably help you get your sites faster. And that will translates into more revenue almost every time. So, that’s my plug for JohnnyVPS. So, with that, thank you so much for coming on, Johnny. Do you have any final like words of wisdom for our audience before we hit the stop record button here?

Johnny Nguyen 36:14
Just have fun and take a break every now and then. That’s it.

Richard Matthews 36:18
Absolutely. I like the idea of taking a break. We talked about that all the time permission to play. So thank you, Johnny. I appreciate having you on here.

Johnny Nguyen 36:25
Okay, thank you, Richard. Thanks for having me.

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