Episode 103 Part 2 – Lee Chambers

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Lee Chambers  0:00  

These challenges they make me grow on the other side of the fear is to grow from all the suffering I’ve developed as a person. And in fact, if you look at an oyster, they don’t matter unless the parasite gets inside the taxi and irritates so you’re not uncomfortable, you’re not gonna have any treasure. So I really started to kind of capitalize these things in my head that doesn’t need to be perfect fact. It’s never going to be perfect. Perfectionism, it just stalled you in so many ways, and it’s just, I’ve worked on myself quite a lot to realize. Brain did something … isn’t the end, it’s constantly evolving.

 

Richard Matthews  0:46  

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So, if that’s your superpower, right superpowers the interconnectedness and understanding that helping companies understand that the flip side of the superpower of course is the fatal flaw. Right? So just like Superman had his kryptonite, what is something that you have struggled with in the growing of your business that you have had to work on. And I think more importantly, what have you done to work on it? So someone who sits it sitting in the same situation as you might learn from your experience? For my own thing for me, it was always perfectionism. I was one of those people that I wanted it to be exactly perfect. So I would never ship right, I would, you know, get it to the point where it’s ready to ship. And then I’d spent, you know, 2-3-4-5-6 weeks, getting like making tweaks to it and then never shipping it. And I had to learn how to overcome that. So what is something that you’ve struggled within your business and your growth that and it’s – How have you overcome it? We’ve been working to overcome it? 

 

Lee Chambers  2:35  

I mean, … as well. It’s an inbuilt perfectionism. And it’s difficult because I understand the principle of having that minimum viable product, and then bringing it to market and evolved and churning and churning and moving and evolving, but it’s quite difficult and in some ways that 

 

perfectionism caused me to procrastinate. And then, the progress and momentum start to wane. So, for me really it was just starting to accept that it was start now, get perfect later. And actually realized that perfectionism is the lowest, the lowest rating you could possibly give yourself because your floor becomes your ceiling, and you don’t have anywhere to move. So what I actually did is kind of started to rewire my understanding of myself, and removing perfectionism from the calendar and replacing it with optimism. So looking for that optimal and realizing that I can start at the bottom and gradually gonna improve, improve. Having that growth mindset that doesn’t need to be perfect now. 

 

In fact, it won’t probably ever been perfect as I’ve come to understand that there isn’t any perfect human beings in the world. And that my failures in the past, are great experimental data to look up to pick apart to remove the emotion. Because I struggled to do that, especially in my earlier life, I was very much like, I don’t want to look back at my failures. Because, you know, they make you feel sad, I put some of my identity in sales failures. And yet while I start to realize is there’s real treasure inside every failure that you’ve made, and it’s in many ways, it started to work for me through just looking at different ways. So my life has been it’s been like an ECG, been up and down, up and down, up and down, like a heartbeat. I suppose if it was flat, I’d be dead. And so more business so it has to be, has to have that. 

 

Richard Matthews  4:43  

I love that picture.

 

Lee Chambers  4:45  

And I kind of started to realize like, actually, these challenges that make me grow. On the other side of the fear is the growth from all this suffering I’ve developed as a person. And in fact, if you kind of look at an oyster They don’t make a pile unless the parasite gets inside and attacks it. And it says, so if you’re not uncomfortable, you’re not gonna have any treasure. So I really started to kind of capitalize these things in my head that don’t need to be perfect. Fact, it’s never going to be perfect. Perfectionism, just it just stalled you in so many ways, and it’s just, I’ve worked on myself quite a lot to realize that bringing something to the market isn’t the end. It’s constantly evolving, and you need to be agile and dynamic. And if anything, the current situation that we face today just shows what happens if you try and back something before you release it. You’ll be here or you’ll be here until you pass away, and 

 

You’ll be on your deathbed wondering why you didn’t release it. It’ll be your biggest regret. Because your biggest regret is going to be now you didn’t do the things that you did. So, if it’s not perfect and doesn’t work, that’s fine. You will be learn something, put your last call on. Just think of it as dance. It’s useful next time. And as with so much value to take from the past failures to use in our future pursuits. And I’ve got these successful businesses, I’ve learned more from the failures. It’s the kind of thing that you use, in a similar way have gone through those processes. 

 

You’ve decided to call things a day at times, you’ve looked and gone back and try it again. And there’s not there’s no easy way people think entrepreneurial-isms a lovely system that you could buy for $2,000 costs and they’ll tell you how to get rich… entrepreneurialism really is, as anyone will tell you, a lot of it’s about timing, about luck, about leveraging other people’s hard work, and a bit of a sprinkle of you on top. And that’s what entrepreneurism is. It’s complex. It’s challenging, and there isn’t an easy way to package it up. But there are lots of lessons in your life that you live so far in your journey. If you can really align into that and see, where do you bring the most value? Because it’s that you have a gift somewhere, you have that superpower. And you can utilize that to bring value. And as you really start to get clarity on that, then lots of other business processes that…are amazing out there. Like, … to do to get their superpowers into your business. And you continue to do more of what you bring the most value in where your superpower is. And that is how you’ll become almost like a superpower team, a Super Hero Squad, smashing through disrupting traditional industries, and being agile and dynamic and running through the city, saving the world.

 

Richard Matthews  7:50  

That’s awesome. Yeah. And that’s probably one of the coolest quotes I’ve had on the show so far. And is you know, life is like an ECG like a heartbeat. There are ups and downs but flatlined you’d be dead. I love that we’re probably going to turn that into a quote card and suit out for everything but I do I really agree with you the idea that failure or that perfect perfection is the lowest standard that you can hold yourself to because it doesn’t exist, right? There’s no such thing as perfectionism so you can’t if you’re trying to hold yourself to something that doesn’t exist you’re holding yourself to nothing at all right? So ship and improve. That’s the message and I love it. So my next question for you then I want to move on a little bit and go into something that has to do with your customers that you work with on a regular basis. I call this your common enemy, right and the common enemy being like when you bring on a new client or you go into a new clients business, there’s probably something that you run into over and over and over again, every time you go into a new business or start working with a new client, where you could just like if you could just wave your magic wand and make that thing go away. You would get them better, cheaper, faster, a higher degree of results. You know, it’s the thing that you’re constantly fighting against banging your head against the wall. Your common enemy, so to speak, what is that for you in your business?

 

Lee Chambers  9:04  

If you can imagine me going and standing in front of balls and pitching. The common enemy is one particular board member who is incredibly difficult to attend ball financial, and agreement buy-in. So that onboarding process, but I can naturally go through and give the return on investment of my programs and explain the longer-term benefits. But naturally, there’s always going to be one particular board member who just looks at me and says, “That message doesn’t resonate with me this way.” And it’s about actually finding a way to then work with them. And that sometimes actually involves me delivering what I do. So that management board first saw them so they get it, so it comes to them. And when you say that question, quite often people say all does that imply? The middle office who always complains, brings the rest of the team down, been here for 20 years. And so they always think that’s the person that I need to go and sprinkle the magic wand on. But actually, the one employee who’s been there for 20 years, who still cares enough to complain has a point, because they’re still there. And we’re still learning, if not just died in the corner. So it’s so funny because when you’re talking, they’re always Oh, Yay!,… its the person who’s not engaged. And yet, they’ve always got something very relevant to say, because they’ve been saying it for themselves saying it. So it is still saying it’s so relevant. But yeah, I mean that that is a common challenge because you have to be very careful with the wording. Many businesses see well being as fluffy, as not a particularly good investment. And you need to really be clear on your communication and what you want to bring different industries are different challenges. And even different employees are in different industries have different challenges. And it really is. It’s about looking at problems today but also helping them understand what are your problems for the future. Because if we start to prevent them today, you’re the one who’s going to be still standing when things get challenging. And that’s kind of looking up more forward-thinking culture at sustainability, then up to how to become a beacon for employees wanting to come to you. You want to attract the best in the industry, or the best way to get that is to get your culture so positive that your employees become the recruiters, their gods your industry events, and say it’s amazing to work here. And all of a sudden the best people in the industry come knocking on your door. When people come in and the latest group of you know, innovative young industry people come in they’re committing “you.” You’re the ones who are treating people well. You’re the ones who have forward-thinking. You’re the ones who are looking at what companies in California doing. You’re not being like, here in the north of the UK, we’re probably seven years behind implementation on what they do on the cutting edge in California, you’re actually doing that today. You stand out. In some ways, you almost become, you know, you’re not conforming. So you look like you’re an… you’re out there. For people like that. And when people come to interview and say, what what do you stand for? What’s his purpose values you bring in? You can say that clearly, people like that people like the ability to answer that question because that then aligns with their purpose, they’ll feel that come into a culture that fits with them, a company that’s going to value them as soon as they come in, and then come in and hit the ground running. Because as we gradually move through the world and automation and biotechnology comes in, those technical skills are slightly less important. No transversal skills of emotional intelligence, cognitive flexibility, the ability to communicate effectively becoming more and more important. If you can embrace a culture that develops up, you not only future-proofing your business, but you future-proofing workforce, and you making the more agile and dynamic. For times like this when we have pandemics which force everyone to go work from home, sometimes for the first time in their whole career. And yet, if you busted out, he busted that culture that will stay in some ways. And you find that yourself with a digital team not to work that bit harder to get that culture. And yet, the way you do business, it suddenly works because you actually have the vision of your employees and what they want, as well as what the business needs.

 

Richard Matthews  13:50  

So, my question for you, which I think would be really a practical application for a lot of entrepreneurs listening to this is the ROI that you’re offering to companies is not a tangible hard ROI, right? It’s not like you can say, hey, if you put if you hire me to do your Facebook marketing and you spend $100 will return on $200 in profits, right? You’re talking about a soft ROI. Whereas like if you develop your employees, you develop this culture, you’ll have, better workforce, the better outcome you like, you have, things that are not tangible, hard number ROI, which is a more difficult thing to sell. Right, it’s more difficult to sell something because you know, when we sell stuff in the marketing space, and a lot of other there’s a lot of businesses where you’re selling, you know, time at a discount or money to discount and it’s a really easy ROI discussion to have with a business owner, right. And business owners and board of directors, they buy things based on ROI. So when you have a soft ROI, like what you’re talking about that doesn’t have a tangible like, hey, if you, you know, if you improve you’re well being of all your employees by 10%, your profits will go up 20%, right. You don’t have those kinds of numbers, because they don’t exist. So how do you go about the messaging for selling a soft ROI, like what, how does that happen for you?

 

Lee Chambers  15:05  

Okay, so I mean, it’s quite interesting because there is there are no tangible figures from a number of studies and I can utilize them when needed. So, the study by delights showed that the well-being strategy implemented. $5 to every dollar spent, which is naturally quite powerful. But what is more so is that when we looked at that and went more granular, a big spark, well-being strategy, so not like a cookie-cutter, this is your health assessment strategy can give up to $32 for every dollar spent. So that’s quite a powerful set of figures to play when you need to. And it can be from really sure how could that be spot well-being strategy can serve our charge lots of different parts of the company, but with with with a softer ROI sometimes, it’s quite difficult to you have to get that buy-in and that understanding that this initial investment, so in some ways, it will feel like a short term loss will create that longer-term gain. And that can be sometimes it can be difficult to communicate. But you have to be very clear, and really speak to their problems. So it requires a bit of investigation to find out what is – what are the stones in their shoes, really need to tear the shoe off and get the stone in it. What are the challenges of their workforce? Different departments might have significantly different challenges, or it’s a bit of investigation to really dig deeper because when you’re speaking to a company about the problems and you’re solving the problems, the ROI becomes a little bit less important because solutions sell and then people sell. So you’ve got to go in there and show that you’re a problem solver. You’re a solution Mecca, and you need to, you need to make them understand almost visualize that future, you need to take them with you. And almost sometimes it requires a story. The story is very powerful in generating that understanding, I tend to use stuff from now thinking about feeling well to go in and test them on that journey. And I’m actually used quite a lot of visualizing in language and just use our actually pull them towards where I want them to go. And then as you can get in them slightly off-balance, you hit them with some figures, or hit them with something that’s hard-hitting, not just again, shake knocks them out of the pattern, and quite often get for all this fluffy thing that we don’t need. I’ll just pass him around their head to make and work hard and I’ll show to him. I’ll give them a disciplinary and it’s just like, you have to just knock people out of the park. Seems a bit. Yeah. And this…

 

Richard Matthews  18:05  

I tell people, like in the sales process is because you mentioned storytelling and I talked about what’s what I can’t even remember the word I’m looking for now. It’s the paradise right you have the I said there’s a crocodile-infested river, which is like the problem that you have. And you have the promised land on the other side. And you have to tell people what life is like in the promised land. You have to give them a really good visual idea of like, here, this is what not this is not what it looks like, have your problem solved. It’s what life looks like after the problem is solved. That’s important in the sales message, right to show people this is what it’s going to look like to live in the promised land. Anyway, sounds like you’re, you’re doing that already.

 

Lee Chambers  18:53  

I mean, it’s really something that requires a little bit of practice, you become more dynamic enabled to tailor it and personalize it to who you’re dealing with as you become more skilled, but it’s something that looking and understanding marketing, understanding storytelling and understanding processes, it’s something that can be, in some ways turned into a process, you just got to kind of look at it that the process gives you a great framework to work on. And they can be dynamic within that process, just so you’re not too rigid. As soon as you get a bit rigid and a bit too structured. It can lead you to find yourself going down holes that you’re struggling to pull yourself back out of, but for many, many entrepreneurs, so really powerful skill that you should know what to get in this, there’s so much information out there, but I’m sure Richard’s stuff is very powerful. And I could, I could heartily recommend that you will be able to help any entrepreneurs looking for that kind of thing.

 

Richard Matthews  19:56  

So my next question for you then is the flip side of the common enemy right. So if the common Enemy for you is the people that you have to fight against change their mind right and we talked a lot about the NLP and sales messaging you used to deal with that. The flip side of your common enemy is your driving force right common enemy something you fight against driving forces thing you fight for it so just like Spider-Man fights to save New York or Batman fights to save Gotham or Google fights to index and categorize all the world’s information. What is it that you guys fight for at Essentialise? Right and your mission statement so to speak?

 

Lee Chambers  20:30  

So, we actually fight for a happier, healthier world. And that seems so big and so …, and not a smart goal in the slightest bit. And However, in so many ways, that is, that is what I want my legacy to be like when I’m dead in a casket. I want people to stand up my eulogy, saying, Lee he was a bit out there. He wasn’t your typical but he leaves the world a happier and healthy place and he came in.

 

Richard Matthews  21:04  

I love it. happier, healthier place. 

 

Lee Chambers  21:08  

And it’s just I just realized that if we just looked at things in a morning in an interconnected way we just slept a little bit more and moved a bit more, and work, we just had a bit more care a bit more appreciation, or adapt turbocharge that and spread that across the world. And, like we said, when that happens at work, or work and life, not really to be balanced, it’s to be integrated, again. So you’ve got life, just got life. You’re trying to balance life and work in two hands, not got any hands to pick up a book and learn anything new, not get any hands to fall onto when you fall over, which you highly likely will at some point in your life. It’s just realizing that I’m sure you’re know as you live locally mobile business like this like you do, that your business fits into your life, just got life, and it’s just life. And that life is our mission, what’s our mission to get towards our potential, to be happier, to live a fulfilling life. So be aligned with whom we want to be, and help others. I mean, that’s really in many ways, what many people want. And they kind of look at it and say, I want this and I want that, and I want that and whatnot, it usually comes down to helping people being happy, and getting close to being the best person that you can be. And in so many ways, if I can help people do that, I’m looking to impact the world because I know that every person that I help to do that, they will help other people. Because as soon as you empower other people to become empowered. And then they’re spread that empowerment. And it’s just giving people the responsibility and the permission to be them. Sometimes, because we live in a world where so many people what be, such a young age you are this, whatever you are, you are brown, you are going to be a doctor or a lawyer or failure. There are so many things that we carry from our childhood, but then become limiting beliefs, barriers, and glass ceilings for what we can truly be. And for me, it’s just about helping people to break laws down to get more energy and time to do the things that they love. And just find out who they want to be. And being authentic is so important. But the root of the word authentic offers to write your own story of who you are. Everyone has the ability to do that.

 

Richard Matthews  23:42  

Absolutely. Right. One of my driving forces in life has always been to leave it better than you found it. Right? That’s whatever it is, doesn’t matter if you’re visiting a park and there’s trash on the ground or there’s a person that you’re walking by, you leave a smile on their face, you know, how can you leave it better than you found it. I don’t think that is too high of a lofty of a goal for your business is to leave a happier, healthier world.

 

Lee Chambers  24:07  

That’s what we find. It’s a big statue that was smashed into millions of pieces, and I’ll do one every day.

 

Richard Matthews  24:14  

So my next question is more practical for you then I call this the Hero’s toolbelt. Right? Maybe you got a big magical hammer like Thor or a bulletproof vest, like your neighborhood police officer. Or maybe you just really love how Evernote helps you organize your thoughts, right? I want to know, top one or two tools you use in your business to – that you just couldn’t live without today, right? Well, whether that’s something you use to manage your clients or do your marketing or deliver your products and services to your, clients, something that you just use every day, you couldn’t live without top one or two tools you use in your business.

 

Lee Chambers  24:47  

Right. Wow. Can I kind of say that love?

 

Richard Matthews  24:52  

I think you absolutely can.

 

Lee Chambers  24:54  

Oh, yeah. So, its definitely loves. Because I have a range of people I collaborate with to deliver additional elements. So we come together in a modular bill. And that is a great way of amplifying our direction. And that really comes from a place of love. Because we actually deliver. And we don’t have massive, specific contracts, we actually share revenue, which is massively important. And those people for me, we all fuel each other on. And really, it’s from a place of love. And in so many ways, I love this podcast because it’s about heroes, who doesn’t love heroes. And I’m sure you’ve looked at what the root of the word hero is.

 

Richard Matthews  25:42  

So, what is the root of the word hero?

 

Lee Chambers  25:45  

So, it’s originally from ancient Greek and it comes from the word “heros,” which means protector and the special tool weapon is not assault, not a shield. It’s love … so

 

Richard Matthews  26:05  

I love it. I had never heard that before. So that makes it even a cooler, cooler name.

 

Lee Chambers  26:15  

So, with my business practices. In so many ways, I’ve been using Zoom for quite a long time. I’ve delivered online conferences, online speaking, spoken to educational establishments, and now I’m using it naturally more than ever. And it’s a powerful tool for delivering the message. But it’s also allowed me to expand my reach out further to gradually spots more and more people outside of where I can physically be. And I think having that digital-physical hybrid delivery is really important. And again, the digital element is important in the embedding process. So when I’m not there, messaging still continues. So in so many ways, I use Trello. An awful lot to control both elements of my business, and the collaborators. And it’s simple, it’s easy. And I like things that are simple, clean, and easy. I’m a minimalist at heart.

 

Richard Matthews  27:21  

So I’m with you. I use Zoom all the time, and we use Trello a lot. I actually just finished training on how to build business systems with Trello, which I’ve happily shared with you if you’re interested in it. But yeah, the I, I love the idea that that love is your most powerful tool. And thank you for the little Greek lesson. I actually studied Greek in college as a Bible scholar. So I learned a lot about Greek and everything, but “hero” is not a typical biblical term, so it wasn’t one that I had in my repertoire. Speaking of heroic tools, I want to take a few minutes to tell you about a tool we built that powers the hero show and is now the show’s primary sponsor. 

 

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So my next question for you then is about your own personal heroes, right? So just like Frodo had Gandalf or Luke had Obi-Wan or Robert Kiyosaki had his rich dad, who were some of your heroes, were they real-life mentors? Were they speakers or authors, peers who were a couple of years ahead of you, and how important were they what you’ve accomplished so far in your business?

 

Lee Chambers  29:46  

Okay, so this is gonna be a locally and controversial answer, but I don’t have any heroes.

 

Richard Matthews  29:54  

Awesome. So my question then is why?

 

Lee Chambers  29:58  

So it just seems to be something inbuilt within me. And I’m not. I’m very, very different than your average person. But so many times I’ve had the question, Who do you say, you should care? We should idle. And nobody comes to mind. I suppose ultimately, it comes down to the fact that there’s only one me on this planet on my own journey, and I have a massive appreciation for people who got on a journey similar to me, and the people who give me advice along the way, but I started to realize that actually, the advice isn’t as powerful as encouragement. Encouragement is a lot more powerful. And the people around me encourage me, but I don’t see them as heroes. Because, truly, we’re all heroes. And therefore I don’t see anyone as a standout hero for me. I just see everyone around me is heroes following their own path, and hopefully being true heroes, developing the strength… showing that role not only to the family and to their employees to the friends, but to those people out there on the street, the grocery store for people they walk past and it’s just those moments of positivity resonance, that give someone a with a smile. 30 seconds just to ask how they are. Those little moments of acknowledgment, really build-up to create happy, healthy people. And in so many ways, I don’t think any human being is a hero because we’re all heroes.

 

Richard Matthews  31:44  

I like the thought and it’s one of the things that that has come up a lot on this show is that there’s always someone who is who has impacted your life with encouragement are impacted your life with, you know, lifting you up and things like that. And it’s the realization I think that your life and the way that you live it right like you’ve mentioned having the strength for two is you don’t know who’s looking up at you as a hero because of the impact you’ve had on their life. And as you go through your life if you’re living, living such a way that you deserve it, right that that, you know, one of my mentors as a when I was younger he used to say all the time you said your kids are going to have a hero, right? They’re going to have an influencer so to speak, and it did damn well better be you and his point was that if you don’t act and live and love in a way that is worthy of being looked up to, you’re not going to be. And for me it was really important thing for you know, I’ve got four children. Now that I wanted to be that kind of person. So anyway,, I think I think we’re probably in agreement on that. It’s just a different way of looking at it. 

 

Lee Chambers  33:09  

Yeah. 

 

Richard Matthews  33:11  

So, last question for you, I want to bring it home for our listeners a little bit and talk about your guiding principles, top one or two principles or actions that you use every day, you think to contribute to the success and influence of your company, maybe something you’d wish you’d known when you first started out as an entrepreneur.

 

Lee Chambers  33:28  

I’m actually said that reflection is absolutely massive, like the ability for me to take a period every day we’ll step back out of being in the business and look at the business. Not something that I didn’t do. When I was that initial young entrepreneur, hustling with my head down, pushing on seeing the figures rise, but not looking at the bigger picture. And in so many ways, the way I say that video game business is I climbed a mountain building not only to get to the top of that mountain, and look and realize it wasn’t the mountain I wanted to climb. It wasn’t, it wasn’t my racing. But all that journey. It gives me a quick me with some understanding and some … to actually start climbing this mountain that I’m climbing today. of that business is socialized, that’s actually bringing change to the world, and really fulfilling my own purpose. But what I do know is every time I get to a base camp, I stop, look, and reflect. And that’s every day where I’m looking at my guiding principles. And in the morning, the first thing that I do is look at my little SD card on the side of my bed. Just reminds me why I’ve woken up what I’m here to do. And before I jump into any work, actually carry out a morning routine and spend time with my children to have actual love with them. Before going into my business and trying to make a difference. In so many ways, that fueled me to make the difference that I’m making. And I know that if I can make a happier world for them to grow up into, then I’ll possibly be a hero to them.

 

Richard Matthews  35:14  

So a couple of things that I think are really cool. They’re one of them, that is popped up in a lot of interviews on this show, and that is, you have to know, the monster you’re building. Right? And we’re in reference to your business, you called it you know, you’re climbing the wrong mountain, but it’s the idea that your business needs to be something that you want it to integrate into your life, it’s a part of your life. Yeah. And so you have to want the result that it’s going to bring, right not everyone wants to build an Apple Computer and the sacrifices that come along with the building that, right not everyone wants to build you know, like what I’ve got a small marketing agency with that gives me you know, location independence and that kind of stuff that’s never going to be here. Huge multibillion-dollar business. So you have to sort of know what you’re building and why you’re building it. I think that’s really important. The second thing is the idea that you’re, you’re building your business for, like for your children, right, that you’re, you’re actually your. – Let me see if I can say this properly, the thing that I’ve believed really, really powerfully, and I think it’s even more important now with all the things that are going on in our world, is that the best way that you can impart change on the world is to raise up the next generation and well. 

 

Lee Chambers  36:39  

Yeah. 

 

Richard Matthews  36:41  

And there’s probably nothing more powerful you can do than to raise up the next generation. So anyway, I love that and I love that it’s a huge motivation for you and your business. So that basically wraps up our interview. I do want to say thank you so much for coming on the show. I do have one last little thing we do. In all of our episodes, something I call the Hero’s challenge, Hero’s challenge is really simple. And it’s basically this. Do you have someone in your life or in your network that you think has a cool entrepreneurial journey? Who are the first names are fine, and why do you think they should come to share their story with our audience?

 

Lee Chambers  37:15  

So I would know in its fall, the hero’s journey, David Watson is conscious leadership, implementation coach, and consultant and he’s become enlightened on his own journey. And the real benefit is he’s been doing this and speaking about this for 20 years, since the days where he would be considered a complete spiritual anomaly. 

 

Speaking about this, in the early millennium, when it wasn’t considered to be spirituality business didn’t consider it to be interlinked. If anything, spirituality wasn’t allowed in the business, it was just a blockhead. And in so many ways, his story of changes that he’s made. And the things that he’s done in the world. He’s navigated in so many ways. Very, very powerful. And I think it would be a powerful story to bring on because he has a wealth of experience. But also, he has got those heroic elements inside of them.

 

Richard Matthews  38:20  

Awesome. Yeah. So we’ll reach out later into about connecting him and getting him on the show. So last little thing, where can people find you? If they’re running a company and they’re looking to bring in someone like you? Where can they find you? And I guess more importantly, who are the ideal types of clients to reach out if they’re listening? So you know what I would really like to reach out to Lee? Who are those people? What sort of, you know, red flags should pop up in your head say, Yeah, I should call a

 

Lee Chambers  38:42  

So you can find me at LeeChambers.org and my real special client, the one that should come knocking on my door, if you’ve got a small to a medium-sized company 50 to 500 employees and you’re looking to move towards a more healthy workforce, but you’re looking at actually building something greater than the typical business, you’ve got one change, you want to transform, you want to disrupt the industry. And you actually want a company that is looking at the future and starting to implement that today. So, industry-wise generally works with more creative companies. But given the diversity of the companies I’ve worked for, I can really implement it in lots of different areas. And really, it comes down to you wanting to change, you’re ready, and reset soon. And you’ll walk off that client.

 

Richard Matthews  39:40  

Awesome. So, its LeeChambers.org and Lee, thank you so much for coming on the show today and sharing your story with us. It was a pleasure to have you on before we hit that stop record button. You have any final words of wisdom and share it with the audience.

 

Lee Chambers  39:52  

I just say, care for your employees, and if you’re an entrepreneur, don’t be scared of failure. Just do it. Don’t be a perfectionist. Minimal viable products get evolving. 

 

Richard Matthews  40:04  

You heard him. Ship your product. Thanks for coming on.

 

Lee Chambers  40:08  

Thank you.