Episode 020 – Daniel Prince
Welcome to another episode of The HERO Show. I am your host Richard Matthews, (@AKATheAlchemist) and you are listening to episode #020 with Daniel Prince – Rerouting from the Rat-Race to Globe-trotting Entrepreneur & Adventurer.
Daniel Prince is a globe-trotting digital nomad. He’s the author of Choose Life a book about how to escape the 9-5, travel long-term with your family via the sharing economy, homeschool and become a Digital Nomad!
Here’s just a taste of what we talked about today:
- Quitting the ‘rate race’, taking a slightly different look at life.
- Globeschooling, exploring alternative ways to look at education.
- Building a business from your laptop.
- The importance of startups to succeed.
- Redefining what “cold calling” is.
- Silence. Empathy. Authenticity.
- Breaking barriers. Realizing that people are wired to help each other.
- Reverse engineering the worst case scenarios.
- Changing the thought process and practice around sales.
- Building a free Homeschooling Summit.
- The internet, being born into technology, and the future of work and education.
The HERO Challenge
Today on the show Dan challenged Brandon Pierce to be a guest on The HERO Show. Dan thinks that Brandon would be a fantastic interview because his family has been traveling for 10 years and the story is amazing! Hearing Brandon’s story will inspire listeners to challenge their thinking.
How To Stay Connected With Daniel
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Also, he mentioned his book, “Choose Life” on the show. You can get that from there here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076DCS2Z2
- Website: PrincesOffTheGrid.weebly.com/
- Twitter Handle: @princey1976
- Facebook Page: Facebook.com/princesoffthegrid
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Hello and welcome back to The Hero Show.
My name is Richard Matthews and I am here on the line
with Daniel Prince.
Daniel. Are you there?
Yes, Richard. Hello.
Awesome. Great to have you here.
So before we get into it, I’ll just make sure people know who you are.
You are the author of Kindle’s number one travel book called
“Choose Life” which is a book about how to escape
the nine to five travel long-term with your family via the sharing economy,
homeschooling and becoming a digital nomads,
which should be a super cool conversation because
for those of you who don’t know yet, I also travel full time in an RV.
So you guys have done that for a while and before we got on the line,
you mentioned you’re you’re in France now.
So I guess to start off with let’s start off with who you are like,
what are you known for now?
Why would peoplelook up Daniel Prince
or pick up your books or do any of those things.
What is it that you’re known for?
Quitting the rat race, I suppose, and taking
a slightly different look at life to explore
alternative ways to look at education
because we were very much stuck in like the day to day,
you know, keeping up with the Joneses very much.
You know, stuck in a career that lasted 18 years and just
having a big awakening and kind of like thinking
“Hang on a minute, you know, something’s off…”
and taking a deep dive into that and trying to figure out
what it was and what we wanted and where we wanted to go.
And starting the traveling. We started traveling in 2014.
And we, you know, we thought we’d go for like six to nine months.
And that’d be that and end up back in the UK where we’re originally from…
and fall back into a job. Put the kids back into a school or something.
But it never worked out that way. We just kept going.
The blog that we started was gaining a little bit of traction,
magazines, and newspapers and podcasters would want to know
about our story and how we were doing it and why we were doing it.
And all of this interest just started culminating around,
especially around the harms going into kids,
because that’s a lot of people’s fears.
I think there are a lot of people stuck out there.
In this rut, whether it’s questioning life around the career,
or on a personal life around the work-life balance
or the Christian life around like the family’s carried on growing
and now they’ve got two, maybe three, or even four kids to support.
And they feel as though they’re just painting themselves further
and further into a corner into career that can never leave
because they can never have the lifestyle.
If they leave that job then they’ll never be able to provide for the family.
That’s the reason I wrote the book to try and highlight that there is another way.
And once we once we cross that line of doubt. It’s amazing.
The people that are out there already doing it.
And I just wanted to help people understand,
give them a resource that I wish my wife and I had in our hands
when we were making the original decision to make such a huge life change.
Yeah, absolutely. So I want to talk real quick about sort of like
the impetus to make that change.
I know – I was reading your bio earlier.
You read the 4-Hour Workweek a number of times,
which is a book I’ve also read. And one of the things Tim talks about in that book
is the idea of not saving your life until you’ve retired. Right?
Like you’re saving I have a life later. Like why why don’t we live life now? Right?
I think he calls it like… he’s using the term “Mini Retirement”.
And I think what we’ve ended up doing is probably even better than that
because of the lives that we live, but I’m interested to see if
that was one of the impetus for actually changing your life trajectory,
realizing that, you know, like, “Hey. If I continue on this path, I
‘m just going to continue working hard
and never really enjoying life until I get to the end.”
Like, you’ve saved up your life until you’re old.
Exactly. And I think Yeah, look at that
for the next little bit. So
Now, how did I get introduced to this book, I was,
I was at a lunch with with a friend of mine.
And we were discussing, you know, his career was headed one way
mine was heading in a different way. And we were both coming…
We were both riffing about the same thing.
It’s like, you know, “Wow, he had three kids, I had two
and two on the way, you know, we had twins coming on
So we had four.
This is just, this is just crazy. . . 18 years pass me by and, you know,
the business have changed. At the time, we were living in Singapore.
We’ve been in Singapore for 15 years in with my career.
But everything was changing slowly but surely.
I read that book on his advice. He’s like,
“Just go and get the 4-Hour Workweek..”
And I never read those kinds of books ever.
And I was very judgmental about people that did read those kind of books, you know,
these self help books. So I didn’t think I would ever pick a book like that up.
But it’s amazing – the power of a book, if you read it at the right time.
You know, I could read that book five years ago,I still would’ve sat in the same seat,
doing the same thing day today. But because I already have that point,
that juncture it just opened my eyes to. And to your point, yeah,
he calls it the “Deferred Lifestyle”, right.
That’s what he calls it “Down The Road Lifestyle”,
like saving everything up until you become of an accepted and acceptable age.
And who’s like society has – societal acceptable age for you to retire.
But you’ve now paid your dues, you paid enough to use your 65 or 70,
whatever it is, you can never retire is that, you know, falling that the deferred lifestyle.
And I realized that I was living that. My gosh, yeah, this is so damn true.
And then he talks about mini retirement, so many sabbaticals.
He was so ahead of the times of how work is changing and how you can go remote.
Like now you show me that you’re doing this from an RV,
and you travel around the country and you serve your parents
and you can build a business from a laptop, like man, I want that, you know,
how do I do that? I guess first of all, I’ve got to buy a laptop,
and then I’ve got to quit my job. And then we’ve got to figure out a way to do this.
So that was the impetus understanding that,
that could be a different way for me to make a living rather than just
going through the same desk every day,
just grinding it out until it was my time to retire.
And then all the kids are gone. And he says in the book, you know, like,
what can you do at the age of 65 or 70.
Not a great deal, you’re not that mobile, you know,
you’re missing the best time of your life right now.
And if you can just make a few little changes.
And face those fears, those deep down fears that by the way,
are unrecognized today, they never, they never come to fruition.
One of my fears was I’m going to go bankrupt,
lose everything and end up living under a bridge.
I’m sure many people are like that. But there’s some of these fears that just –
they don’t come true. And, you know, for you like we were just talking beforehand,
you already had three kids and you’ve had a fourth kid whilst traveling.
I bet you’ve never even had that thought that that would even happen.
But there you go with it. Right? I mean,
yeah, of course good. While you’re traveling,
I know we’ve been speaking about some of those fears.
Like when we first got started doing this whole traveling thing,
it was like, you know, one of the things that we thought was like, you know,
we’re going to move into an RV, and we’re going to travel, right?
Not everyone does a whole movement, RV thing.
Sometimes it’s Airbnb, or other places or, you know, go travel to different places.
You know, regardless of how you do it, my thought was just like,
we’re going to do it for six months. And if we don’t like it, we can go back. Right?
Like there’s nothing stopping us from going back and renting another house or,
you know, putting we didn’t have our kids in school,
but have had your kids in school, we put it back into school, right?
Like the downside is like you have a six month experiment,
and you find out that it’s not. Okay, it’s not for me, right?
But the upside for us was that maybe
it would be a massive positive change in our lives, right?
Maybe we would really enjoy being on the road,
maybe we’d meet really cool people, maybe we would have really cool experiences,
maybe our kids would have stories that would just be out of this world
compared to what their peers have. Right?
And like the upside potential for it was so massive,
and just thinking through it and looking back on it…
It was way more than how we imagined it would be. Right?
Yeah. The upside is better than you think. Because like looking back on it,
we were like you mentioned we were in a rut, right?
We did the same thing every day, you know, every Monday like I could,
I could chart out my week for you and tell you on two o’clock on Tuesday,
where we were and what we would be doing, right?
and who would be with and what food we’d be eating right.
And it had been that way for years. And you know, we have a couple of kids.
So it changes up every now and then you add a kid to the family
and things changed a little bit. But essentially,
like you pretty much know what your life is like.
And there’s no I don’t know, there’s no spontaneity in it.
And when you travel, and when you do those things,
you’re meeting new people and you’re experiencing new things,
and you’re eating new things, and you’re seeing new places.
And you have your regular family routines, like you know,
your dinner and other things like that.
So you managed to put some of those routines together for your family
and have so that stimulates regularity.
But because of being out of that rut,
one of the things I’ve noticed is my kids have blossom
and opened up our family is closer than it’s ever been, we have,
we have experienced whole bunch of new things.
But I’ve also my business is grown like four x since we’ve gotten on the road.
So in part of that is because you’re in a creative mind space all the time,
you’re not stuck in a rut, like physically, or emotionally or anything else.
You’re always sort of like free and creative.
Anyways, it’s been it’s been really fascinating to see
how traveling has impacted my business.
And obviously, you know, your life and your business as well.
So, anyways, that’s really cool.
That’s amazing. And to your point about being in the creative space,
and the difference that makes your business know the difference it
makes to your kids education as well. Is is crazy, because, you know,
it was Sir Ken Robinson, he talks about it on his TED talk, you know,
his question is, do schools kill creativity. And undoubtedly they do.
Because you’re in this schedule, and you’re in this rock
and you move from one classroom to another from one subject to another.
And you can’t get creative in that in that classroom.
Because we’ve got to learn from this textbook.
And we got to keep up with the syllabus that’s been set by some education minister
somewhere that probably never even been in the teaching profession,
is that just not all of the creativity out of kids.
But when you take them out of that school,
and you put them in an album you’re taking,
you’re in a different place every other day,
they’re meeting new people that haven’t different thoughts,
they’re hearing different music, they’re seeing different countryside,
different landscapes, everything’s going in.
And you know that feeling; that creative. Passion is incredible.
So I can understand exactly what your business is.
Yeah, so what I want to do real quick is sort of transition
a little bit to the business that allows you to do that.
So we talked on the show about your origin story, right?
It’s where you started to realize that maybe you had superpowers,
and maybe you can help people.
I know, you mentioned you got into consulting, what did you consult on?
And how did you discover that? And then, connected back to the travel?
How did you realize that you can use that to to help fund your travels?
Yeah, great question. Because I’m in the middle of another project right now,
which we’ll touch on in second, which is a perfect timing.
It’s amazing timing that we’re speaking.
So I figured, once we left and we started traveling, you know,
I’d have some kind of brainwave and figure out some kind of knows,
Tim Ferriss calls it, figure out a muse.
And I become some kind of amazing drop shipping,
Amazon-associate or something and just make cash that way.
That didn’t turn out to be as easy as I thought.
And then I just naturally fell into, I think people do,
you just naturally fall into what you’re interested in and what you’re naturally good at.
And a friend of mine was starting a company in the UK, and he just needed help building,
building out his team, he was suddenly getting some traction
and getting some investment. And with the investment, he needed to hire people.
And, you know, like with many entrepreneurs
and many startups, you get that, you know, the CEO has a great idea.
He goes and pitches it, he gets the funding,
and then he can go and grow his service or his product.
But first he’s going to do he’s going to hire a sales team.
Sure, he’s got funding, but not absolutely millions.
So he can only afford waht he can afford
and that’s generally people that are straight out of university
that have never picked up a phone in a sales role before.
So he turned to me to help start mentoring some of these young guys
that were coming out of university 22 –that kind of average age,
and I would just help overcome their fears around like the area of sales,
you know, the fear of cold calling, the fear of objection handling,
the fear of pitching, and the fear of what else all these horrible
buzzwords that surround the world of sales, which
Completely! …so that’s the biggest… The first question.
I think my next book Richard will be called…
“I Don’t Want to Sound Salesy” because that is a 100%
the first thing people say on our first call, when I get on the line with them
and try and you know, understand, “Okay, what are your problems?”
“I don’t want to sound salesy.”
and where does that come from? It comes from what we’ve grown up with,
like this throwback 80s 90s, business manager of all the films,
look at all the films we have grown up watching.
And, you know, it is a boiler room of sales practices and techniques
and growing up in the kitchen, and your mom or your dad gets that call,
hundredth call of that week, and someone trying to sell them something like
double glazing or a new driveway or whatever,
yelling at that person down the phone.
So we’ve grown up seeing all the sleazy second-hand car dealer,
you know, that this is all deeply ingrained.
So people, they enter the startup world,
but the last thing they want to do is sound salesy.
And that, like, what we need for these people, these companies grow.
We need every, you know, how many startups fail, we need all of them
if we can to succeed, because we need the business of old
to be replaced by the business of new.
And we need all of these guys to start succeeding.
So my role in helping take away the fear around sales.
And taking away the fear around connecting with people
is what I just turned out to be naturally.
Pretty Okay, and just started.
And you can do that kind of coaching while you are traveling.
Yeah, so then I realized, wow! I can just do this on a laptop via Skype.
And, you know, people can just book calls with me via calendly,
and it doesn’t matter where I really am in the world,
and it doesn’t matter where they are in the world.
And that’s kind of how that started. I’m getting a bit of traction.
Yeah, like I know sales is such a hard thing… like, one of the things that
triggered me for sales and to get good at it was understanding
the difference between that ingrained like hate of sales,
and realizing that that’s not really good sales,
like really good sales is what your doctor does with you come in for a checkup. Right?
And he asks you questions and finds out what the problems are,
and then connects you with the right solutions. And when you understand that,
that sales is really about helping people solve their problems,
so they can live a better life, it really helps remove a lot of those negative, like,
things that go along with, you know, being afraid of sales and not wanting to do it.
And like I’ve gotten to a point now in my life,
where I think sales is like it is the highest and best use of people’s time.
If if they can, if they can learn to master that skill.
There’s really nothing more powerful than learning how to help
connect people to the right solutions.
Absolutely. And, you know, I always ask the guys that I’m working with, right?
“You work here for a reason. What is that reason?”
All the reason is because during the interview process, and this and this and this,
and okay, so you have the passion. You know, you’re not selling, like
just some piece of crap that you don’t believe in.
And, you know, I know Dan, but I can’t I hate cold calling. Right?
Okay, but you’ve never cold called anyone.
But you said Do I make like 10 to 15 calls a day?
You’re not cold calling it like, you’ve got to redefine this word.
Let me tell you what cold calling is. You come into my company, I sit you down,
I give you a phone book. And I give you something to sell… a carpet tile.
And I say start at A and finish at Z; and sell as many of those things as you can,
until you come back to me and say “Right, I need something else to sell.”
That is cold calling. You interrupting people’s day, you have no idea who they are,
you have no reason to even “Why would they ever want a carpet top.”
But you’ve just got to get through 100 calls a day, get through 19 NOs
to get to 10 Maybe to get to 3 YES is just… this is business practice of OLD.
And that is old sales. And that’s what people connect with
when they think of that word.
So you’ve not made one cold call, right?
And then they say “No.”
because you understand the value of your product. Yes? -Yes.
And you understand the people you need to connect with.
So you can help grow their business? Is that correct?
Well, yeah, I can find them on LinkedIn.
So well, if you do not reach out to them, you are doing that person a disservice.
Because all they need to know is you’ve got a solution
to a problem that they are probably facing,
and you can enter into relationship with them
and help them grow.
Awesome. Yeah, I actually have a short little story about cold calling.
At one point in my business career, I hired a sales coach to help me get good at sales.
And one of the things he had me do, like, because, you know, cold calling is one of those fears.
And he’s like, what I want to prove to you is that even if you are cold calling, you know,
here’s a list of 200 people A to Z, start at the top and go to the bottom.
If you know how to talk. He used to call it, “Learn How to Give Good Phone.”
If you know how to give good phone,
then there’s no such thing as a cold call. Right?
And so, he lists -straight up- gave me a list of people’s names and phone numbers.
And I’m like, I don’t have anything to sell.
He’s like, I don’t care if you have anything to sell or not
just pick up the phone and call these people.
And here’s what I want you to do… pick them up, pick up the phone and be like,
Hey, I have your name here on a piece of paper I’m supposed to call you.
Can you tell me what I was supposed to call you for? And just shut up.
And let them talk? And they would they would start they would start telling you
and they may come up with a reason.
They may be, you know, let me tell you what I do…
Maybe you were putting down a networking event or something like that.
And as you’re like here, I do this other thing would someone have
recommended you for that? Like why?
Why do I have your name on the thing and like, what is happening is
you find out like 80% of the people will tell you
what their deepest, darkest secrets are.
And then you can help connect, connect them with the thing.
And then you realize that it’s not really about, like,
A- cold calling is not as scary as you think it is
and B- if you actually have something valuable to offer people,
then it’s really useful.
So that’s a perfect example. And it’s the next thing I kind of go into,
once you get people on the phone, I try and teach, you know,
there are just three key things you need to remember. Silence. Perfect.
You’re using silence, you know, you ask the question and you would be silent
and getting a good at holding that awkward silence?
That is the key to unlocking that person.
Because we were were our brains are wired to hate awkward silences.
And the you know, the tennis match of a conversation is
I speak, you speak, I speak, you speak…
if you pause for like three or four seconds,
something in me tells me I’ve not answered that question correctly.
They’re going to think I’m not giving them my time.
Or perhaps I did not prep them a little bit. Did I sound correct?
Was I eloquent? And then you start layering on top.
And it’s behind that silence that you really, like
– to your point and your training that you had –
that’s when you really start to understand that person
where you might be able to help them.
So after silence, I always say right, okay, well, once that’s done,
Empathy, you have to show empathy to whatever it is that
they’ve been just describing. Show empathy towards that problem.
And then, show Authenticity. And authenticity is where you can say,
a story of how you’re already helping a client in this sector in their business,
somebody that they’ve probably even heard of,
because you’re swimming in the same waters generally.
And bam, you’ve just created a relationship and the
permission to at least schedule another call.
Yeah. So what I want to do real quick is drive this home into, you know,
we talk a lot about the heroes have superpowers, right?
So if you had to say, in your business, in your coaching business,
what would you say your superpower is with helping these people learn sales?
Listening, and how is that impacted?
What you’re able to build with your coaching business?
Once you listen to like to this exact same point, once you listen to them,
and you let them talk, you understand their fears.
And when you understand their fears, and their barriers and their blockers…
That’s where you can help them. You know,
so if you can’t wave a magic wand over someone,
like if you’re in a group setting, so if you’re in a group setting,
and Okay, I’m going to do a training workshop on cold calling today.
And you know, who’s who’s got a fear of cold calling in here,
no hands are gonna go up, right?
No one is going to look weak in front of you.
And I don’t look weak in front of their manager,
they don’t look weak in front of their, their peers.
So by getting one on one like this, and asking a few questions,
and then listening to their responses carefully and closely
and giving them the silence to open up.
That would be, that would be the best thing. I would say that I do.
And then then working on those specific features,
telling those specific fears on their heads.
So I want to take us another direction to since we have
we have this instant interesting connection in the travel.
Yes, would you say you developed any new superpowers
and you know, either new ventures or business.
The things you learned while you were traveling that have either
helped you grow back consulting practice
or any new projects you’re working on?
Yeah, a restored faith in humanity.
When I left my career, I’ve been 18 years
and pretty much the same area of business.
And you build up barriers around everyone else who isn’t in your,
in your business, right. And they, they don’t matter.
They’re not in my network, it doesn’t just,
you will pass people on the train every day,
you might see them every day.
They never say hello to them,
you might walk past the secretary every day
and never say hello to her. You might you just disregard people,
because they’re, you know, they’re not important to you,
because you’re so busy. You know, we have the media layering on top of all of that,
and with negative news and fake news
and whatever else to make this world feel like a really unsafe place.
And all of these bad stories that come out
all these different countries, and you just become this like,
into the secular person, I’ve got my friends. And that’s all I need.
And I’ve got my family and blah, blah, blah.
Now, when we started traveling, we did that for the sharing economy.
And that’s how we kind of like managed to go for so long.
Because we want exchange of money for accommodation.
We were exchanging people’s homes, or we were volunteering
our services to work in exchange for accommodation.
And it’s only then that you realize,
Wow, like, people are just crazy nice.
And people are willing to just jump to help each other.
And, you know, complete total strangers,
I’m sure you guys you turn up.
I’m sure you like an RV park or something or you,
you could be just camping out in the middle of a,
like a huge national park or something.
But if you meet another person just out there,
you could be talking for hours.
And if there’s any way that they can help you. They would, though it was
that was a big realization for me that coming out of that environment into this
scary world of you know, what’s next, what country we’re going to be in next.
You know what? We’re not – we don’t have a roof over our heads in a week’s time.
What are we going to do? We got four kids, and then all of a sudden,
it just starts to look good. And things just come together.
People are just wired to help each other.
Yeah, I can. I can definitely second that sentiment,
because like, when we were at home, we call it sticks and bricks house, right?
When we’re going to stick some bricks. I think we knew
one of our neighbors in the whole neighborhood.
We live next to them for three years, right? We knew one of them.
Like we said hi to them over the fence they live right next to us.
And like that’s all we ever did. We never like had dinner together.
And nothing like just we said Hi, when we saw each other.
And like we lived in the neighborhood for three years.
And we’ve been on the road for two years now.
And every place you go, you realize you’re not going to be there forever. Right?
So if you want to meet people, you got to actually like try, right?
And everyone else is the same way.
So you’re able to meet people and build friendships.
And I know like, a couple of months ago, we were in an RV park in Texas,
and someone pulled in next with a couple of kids of our kids’ age
and like we just, you know, got up on over and said hi. Like,
as soon as they pulled in and introduced ourselves and invited them over for dinner.
And you know, because that’s just, that’s the way life goes like
they might not be here tomorrow. Right?
So if you’re going to say hi and have dinner with someone, you got to do it now.
And which I think is one of the things that, you know,
really helps with the traffic is like you have to live for now. Right?
You can’t live for tomorrow, because you know,
everything in your life could be different tomorrow, like you could be in a new place,
the people that are around, you can leave,
you could leave like it’s like you have today.
And so you have to sort of sieze that.
And I remember it was really funny, because of that particular story.
That couple it was their first day in their RV their first day of traveling, right?
And so they pulled into the park next to us, you know, happenstance.
And the first thing that happens is like they’ve pulled in, they park their RV,
and they get invited over for dinner. And they’re like,
we’ve lived in our house for 20 years and never have we had
one of our neighbors invite us over for dinner. Like, it’s like, obviously,
there’s something different going on.
They’re really good friends now we’ve been close friends for a good six months
and have traveled together but also over the place and done stuff together.
But yeah, like the faith in humanity is just,
that’s just one of hundreds of stories over the past couple of years of meeting people
and like, you know, we broke down inside of the road in somewhere
and like I had, I was working on a fuel pump and trying to fix fuel pump.
And I had someone stop off on the side of the road
he was like hey, let me help you with that I got a whole box full of tools.
And you know, I didn’t even get his name and he stopped and helped me fix the fuel pump
and get it all ready to go back on the road.
We said our goodbyes and moved on our day. Like that’s the world we live in,
like the world that you hear on the news and the TV and everything is not,
that’s not our world, like the people, the people that are all around you
are there just like you. And you know, just like you’d be like,
we have our families, we have our lives and you know,
we want to have connections and you know, have good relationships with people.
And it’s been a very striking positive difference to see.
Like actually see the world and see how good it is?
Yeah, the number one takeaway for us, without a doubt.
Awesome. So going back to our discussion of of heroes and superpowers and whatnot,
the opposite of your superpower would be your kryptonite, right?
Your fatal flaw. If you had, if you could nail down one thing that
either really stopped you, or held you back when you were building your consulting business,
what would that be? And then what did you do to help sort of rectify that,
so you can overcome it and continue to continue to grow?
I think it’s like with anybody that starting out with anything, you know,
you could be walking into a conventional job.
And you know, you’ve been through the interview process
and you’ve been hired, or you’re starting a business or you’re, you know,
talking about starting a family, it’s self doubt, self doubt.
And this inner critic is my kryptonite.
And it’s taken a long time to try and understand.
You know, it’s not just me that has self doubt. It’s not just one of us.
It’s everybody. And it’s held us all back from so much in life.
You know, we were talking before we come on here.
And you know, how long were you thinking about
taking a trip before you
actually like 10 years.
And so that was 10 years of you talking yourself out of it, no one else.
And that’s holding so many people back
and then layer on top of that social construct that surrounds us, you know,
you’ve got the self doubt in there already telling you
how many business ideas have you talked yourself out of right? You know, just
More than I can count?
Right. We can launch the, who knows? The next…
the next best company in the world, but we talk ourselves out of it.
Because while that’s not the thing we should do,
we should just keep your head down, we should just do this,
follow, live from there, because that’s what’s getting drilled into us.
So overcoming self doubt is really, really, really, really difficult
now, and like I you know, I don’t have enough money to travel,
it’s going to cost me much money to travel
the technology doesn’t exist for me to be able to do what I want to do on the road,
like how are we going to take care of our kids in school. Right?
Like, how are we gonna have internet on the road, like,
all – every single one of those things that like stops you.
And it’s like, if it really comes down to it, it’s a fear of the unknown, right?
Like, I don’t I don’t know the answer to that.
So excuse me enough to keep me from trying.
Yeah. And that actually is a great exercise in the 4-Hour Workweek, which I did.
When we were making this decision, the fear setting exercise,
I don’t know if you ever did that, instead of goal setting – fear sets,
I probably did it.
Right. And Tim gave a talk about it as well, Ted Talk.
Damn, I’ve watched a lot of TED Talks where he talked about fear setting.
And, you know, it’s all great and, you know, Foo Foo goal setting,
I’m going to be here and I’m we’re here and I’m going to be here and you know,
this, you gotta have a petition to get the flyball turning,
and all of this, you know, nice entrepreneurial jog and stuff.
But then it’s like, right now set your fears.
Okay, what does that mean? Well, you know, what is the worst thing that can happen?
What’s the absolute groundbreaking – The worst thing that can happen?
And you know, and then reverse engineer that.
So okay, so if that did happen, what would you have to put in place
to get yourself back on back on track? Because there’s probably 100 things you can do.
So for me, example, was, you know, as I said, before, going bankrupt
and having to live under a bridge being homeless, total fear.
Like, how irrational is that?
Okay, if you’re gonna go start traveling on some savings,
then you know, that’s there, you’re not just going to completely throw it all away.
What would it really have to happen to go completely bankrupt?
Probably another financial crisis? And if that did happen,
you’d go bankrupt if you were employed or not,
and what would you put in place to fix that?
Well, you wouldn’t go live on a bridge because between my wife and I,
we have plenty of brothers. And we have moms and dads – family. Right?
So you go knock on the door, like, “Hey, can we check up with you guys?”
And then you start reaching out to people,
and then you can get back into a network?
And you know, you thought Wow, that was
Yeah, yeah. And you realize things like, like, you’re, you have skills, right?
You’ve developed a set of skills, and even if everything goes away,
your skills don’t. Right? Like, that is like, you know, going to wake up tomorrow
and suddenly, you know, like, I do marketing and write copywriting
and stuff like I’m not you know, even if we – in my case,
we blew up the RV and I lost all my clients because of you know,
something major in the industry shifted and whatnot
and I have like no income and no house. Like my mom,
hundred percent guaranteed she would be like, come home,
like you can back up in the bedroom we’ll put the kids on the couch,
you can figure it out, right like, and that’s just like
just my mom not counting like my grandparents and my wife’s parents.
I remember like they would… people in our family would fight over who could come
and stay with. And I get out tomorrow
and there are people who could use the skills and stuff that I’ve developed.
So like, even the worst case scenario you still live through. Right?
Like, might be tough – might learn some things.
But it’s not as scary as you think it’s going to be
No, for sure.
So, you’re driving force, right? Spider Man fight to save New York.
Batman fights to save Gotham.
Google fights to index all the world’s information.
What is it that you did today? For now, that you actually are…
what’s driving your your goals and your future
and everything in your business now?
Hmm, good question.
I want to change…
I want to change the thought process and the practice around sales
for young people entering the workforce.
I don’t want them coming in to especially legacy businesses,
it’s not the same so much in startups, you know,
you come in, you’re given the responsibility straightaway.
I really despise this narrative around Millennials are lazy, an entire generation.
That’s just nonsense, complete nonsense.
What you’re having is young people fighting over themselves
to get into whether it’s like the insurance business, or the banking business, or, you know,
finance sector, these legacy businesses that we’ve all been sold on, like,
these are the jobs, these are the ones that pay,
these are the ones you’ve got to compete for.
And you turn up there, and you’ve done all everything
to jump through the hoops and…
first task is, don’t give me a sandwich and a cup of coffee.
That’s what you have a disinterested workforce,
because they want to get there and add value.
That’s why we’re seeing this huge shift.
And if you try it to startups,
but we’ve got to be careful about the way that sales is conducted,
and make sure that there’s – Seth Godin calls it a connection economy.
And we need to we need to move to that rather than interrupting people.
We need to start connecting with people and building relationships
that are going to last careers and businesses a lifetime.
And it’s funny, you said earlier, marketing and copywriting.
And we can, why is it in a company that
people can hide behind these these words like marketing?
Oh, they’re on the marketing team? They’re on a customer experience team.
They’re on the advertising team. Oh, yeah.
Who those guys at all the other sales team?
Just what about the tech guys? Are they the tech guys?
Well, he’s the CEO. He’s the CFO, what I want people to understand is,
every single person in that company is in sales, in sales,
but there’s only one team that has to wear that label.
And that label comes with this deep rooted fear that we have around sales,
which is unfounded, and it shouldn’t be.
And that’s why we need to change the narrative around it.
But if you’re in marketing, you’re in sales. If you’re a copywriter you’re in sales.
If you’re in tech. My God, you are the cutting edge of sales
because you’re building a website. And it’s got to catch my attention in three seconds flat.
Otherwise, I’m gone. So if we can get everybody on a level playing field.
So right guys, we are all here doing the same thing,
CEO. He’s got to go and get funding.
He’s trying to raise $2 million.
The guy’s in sales.
This is what I want people to understand.
Break down these rules around like this dread around sales.
I think that this is a negative narrative around it,
I can’t remember your original question.
Now. I just got on a bit of a rant.
So it’s just you’re driving force.
And that’s true, right.
there’s another driving force, which is being stoked right now.
We’re part of part of a team that’s putting together a homeschooling summit.
And it’s going to be a free online summit where we are interviewing probably 30 to 40,
we I think we’ll get about 40 people who have either they’ve done exactly like you.
So perhaps we perhaps you can come on and be a guest for today.
So, um, we’ve got filmmakers of documentaries.
We’ve got families that have traveled for like, 10 plus years,
we’ve got families that like yourself. Their kids have never gone to school.
I’ve already left school and they’re already succeeding.
I mean, define success, another book there.
But you know, they’re okay. Right?
They’re not dumb they can socialize with other people.
And I’m sure you might come up against.
You’re laughing at the socializing question or accusation.
All the time. People are like, how do you socialize your kids?
And I was like, have you been to a school?
Because like they did they, they get socialized in terrible ways. Right?
And like, outside of primary education?
Is there ever another time in your life where you were stuck with
a homogenous group of people, right here is 35, seventh-graders,
and they’re all going to be stuck in a room with one adult.
And like, that is a social experiment that only happens in
he public school education sphere.
Like, that’s not the way socialization happens anywhere else in the world.
It’s not gonna happen in the job place.
It doesn’t happen in your neighborhood.
It doesn’t happen at church. It doesn’t happen anywhere except school.
Right? So the skills you learn for socialization are like
they’re not even applicable outside of school.
So like, what, what the hell are you talking about? Anyways?
That’s my rant for the day. Oh, man.
Well, there’s a whole chapter about that. There’s my rant. Exactly.
You could have written a chapter about my rant. Now.
There’s nothing social
about school. It is anti social, it is completely antisocial.
Yeah, I mean, like, here’s this test.
And this test says, You have to do it on your own,
you’re not even allowed to talk to people around you.
Like, that’s also not the way that you deal with problems in the workforce.
Whether you’re running a business, or you’re on a team somewhere,
you’re pretty much always conquering problems with a team, right?
And skills like delegation, and using people for their strength,
all those things, things that you – they never even talked about in school
that are all part of socialization that never…
It’s not even a thing. So anyways.
Oh, God, you’re just touching the surface.
And so we’re talking about driving force.
So the homeschooling summit, and
yeah, yeah, and, but you know, everybody I’m talking to at the moment,
and I’m conducting some of these interviews for the summit.
And we get onto this…this would be a perfect riff about socialization.
And God, I, you know, what we hope from this summit,
and the driving force behind this summit is one.
We know there are millions of people out there that you know,
are questioning their current lifestyle and questioning their
social construct, and don’t know where to look for validation.
And that’s what we’re trying to do with this summit.
So it’s, we’re putting together now is going to run
from mid June to the end of the end of June – completely free online summit,
for people to go and get one of these, these great speakers
and sharing their experiences. And here’s another thing,
people that denounced homeschooling or world schooling,
are generally people who’ve never done it.
And they’re just speaking from the cookie cutter lifestyle of this is the system,
this is what you need to be in, you know, it’s all planned out for them.
And you tell them like, Yeah, well, I’m gonna take my kids out of school,
I’m going to go, Well, no, you can’t do that. Or Why not?
Because you know, it’s going to damage their, their never be able to,
like perform in like natural society, they’re never going to be able to get a job.
and it’s … Yeah.
What I find interesting about that, is that we do run into that
people are like, like, you know, your kids aren’t going to have the education
that you want them to have. Like, you get like, both sides.
Some people are like, oh, man have a great education
because of homeschooling but you know,
there are people that are like, you know, staunchly opposed to it.
And that lasts until they meet your children.
Right. Like, just spend an hour talking to my son, right?
My, my nine year old son who talks like he’s graduated high school,
and has his whole, like, first couple of business plans written out
and is working on product development,
like on the side when he’s not doing things. Right.
And, you know, has discussions like he can hold a conversation
with an adult better than most adults can because he’s got life experience
and language and vocabulary. And, you know, just like
thoughts that aren’t available to other kids his age. Right?
And I don’t know… like that the moment you you get a chance to
spend a time with, you know, a bunch of kids who’ve been homeschooled?
Well, it’s strikingly different than kids who’ve been educated in the public school system.
It’s so true.
It’s so true. We’ve had the same experience time and time again.
And, you know, not only with our kids, and adults and adults, like coming to us,
after it’s like, wow, you know,
but also, when any homeschool kid I’ve met,
or world school kid I’ve met. They look you in the eye.
Just that – just that alone.
They don’t have that fear of authority, like,
oh, no adults in the room, you know,
heads down, you know, opening notebooks,
pretending to be doing something.
They look at you in the eye they’re engaged.
They look you in the eye, they’re engaged, they’re excited.
They want to know your story. They want to be connected with you
because we need homeschooling kids all over the place.
Generally, they’re well behaved, right there. They’re part of something bigger.
And they they know it. Right.
And it’s powerful. And what’s interesting is,
it’s not necessarily that they’re not going to get to the same place. Right?
It’s just going to take my kids less time to get there.
Right, because they have more,
they have more available to them. And, you know,
we have the opportunity to give them advantages we didn’t have,
Yes, why not come to them?
Yeah, exactly. And they’re not at all weird, and they’re not at all, like, kept in a basement.
And there’s no, it’s not like some religious cult or something with you know,
all of the stereotypes and myths that, you know, surround the subject.
And I’ve kept it downtrodden for so long.
We hope… You know, we have a driving force between that
there’s a team of like four or five of us putting this together.
And we hope like, you know, this thing could just smash this wide open.
Now, so after the driving force, we talk a little bit about heroes’ tool belt, right?
Maybe you have a big magical hammer, like Thor or a bulletproof vest,
like your neighborhood police officer. Or maybe you just really love Evernote,
or Zoom or Google Drive or something like that.
What are some of the tools that you use to help affect your your business,
whether it’s the consulting business that you run,
or this new homeschooling venture that you guys are starting?
technology, the laptop is just … my God, I mean,
where it was, and what it’s going to do to shape the future of work.
We don’t even like the internet, how old is the internet? Now? Let’s say we’ve had the internet
for like 20 years barely.
We are this far into the story of what this is going to unlock.
And having the internet, the Wi Fi connection like this,
like we were talking before, like, Hey, we were on Zoom.
Six months ago, we would have been on Skype.
But yeah, Zoom is becoming like a huge thing. And it’s
just so people know… you’re in like the South of France,
and I’m in southwest America.
I know that you’re in Southwestern America, sitting in an RV.
Which you know …
What do you have like a satellite dial-up or something?
What’s the what’s the setup?
No, I’ve got a router that’s hooked up to a couple of mobile hotspots.
So I’ve got Sprint, Verizon and TMobile all hooked up to it
and it intelligently picks, which one has the best service
and it hooks up to up to that thing. And I’ve got a little signal booster
on the roof that you know, boost that signal for when
we’re farther away from, from civilization.
And it lets us pretty much like 90% of the time we have great
internet connection and can do whatever we want to do.
Occasionally, I have to drive into town to a Starbucks.
Right? Or, or find a co working space, which is cropping up everywhere.
… we’ve been traveling for two years,
I’ve had to drive into town for internet maybe four times.
That’s a superpower. That’s something that
I couldn’t have even imagined 25 years ago.
Yeah, I guess it’s just mind boggling.
And it’s you know, more and more people will wake up
and figure out that they don’t have to be locked away in an office
in a nine to five forever, you know that the future of work is freelance,
the future of work is project work. You know, if you follow 10 to 15 years out,
which is you know, when my kids are going to be entering the workforce,
and I want them to understand, like, the chance of you guys having an office job,
is it almost zero? So can you get used to it? I mean, it’s a tough one, right?
How do you find balance that exposure to technology with your kids,
when all they want to do is sit there and look at the screen
and play some games and stuff. But you have to expose them to it because this is their future.
So what’s what’s interesting is like when we’re done with the workday today,
like we’re going to go into open Arizona and go feed some donkeys
and then probably go down to the Colorado River and go kayaking. Right?
Well, so like my son right now is in the other part of the RV on an iPad,
doing his school curriculum. Right?
So he’s got all morning with the school curriculum, playing with technology,
and then the other half of our day is out experiencing the world.
And that happens almost every day. Right?
So it’s really easy to have that balance when you’re homeschooling
and stuff like that, at least if you’re if you’re doing stuff,
but bringing them back the whole idea like we’re not in a rut,
like we’re always in new places doing new things next,
later this week, we’re going to be down at the London Bridge. Right?
You know, the one that they moved from your country over to our country
like 40 years ago. So anyways, yeah, well, we I’ve been there before.
So we actually have…
we’ve gone through the museum and everything
and gotten to see like how they actually move the bridge
brick by brick from London to America, which is crazy.
But yeah, but the to that point, exposing the technology,
a couple of years ago,
one of the things that my son did…
I’ve been working really hard I want like trying to get the kid
And like we found some cool things typing tutor
to want to learn to type, right? Like learn to type on the computer.
and a few other things that he that he is learning to type.
But the initial discussion was hard, because he was like,
I don’t need to learn to type. Like anytime I need to do anything,
I just pushed a little microphone and talk to it.
And it types for me.
Right. And, so like he asks questions.
he writes things out, he puts notes together,
and now he’s doing writing assignments for school.
And I’ve been teaching him one of the ways that we do writing is like,
we’ll actually speak our thoughts into a voice memo
and have it transcribed and then edit the transcriptions.
So I’ve been teaching him that process as well.
But like, specifically, like, your kids may not need to know how to type,
but you are at least probably the last generation
that you’re going to have to learn how to type because
we’re still in this transition period, right?
20 years from now, that probably won’t happen.
Like I’ve seen some of the stuff they’re talking about being able to use
the voice recognition. And what do they call it Sub-Vocal speaking?
Like when you read to yourself in your head,
do you actually activate your nervous system all the way up into your throat.
And the electrical signals that turn into speech is only a very brief difference,
but from the electrical signal to the actual speech recognition.
So you can rewrite the speech recognition to pick up those electrical signals.
And you can communicate with a computer vocally,
and like they’re testing these things now, right?
So I would imagine that in the next 15 years, like, the In & Out
the IO for computers is going to drastically change.
But the reality is, like, I know with my kid,
I was like, you still need to learn how to type.
We’re not at the point yet where you can just not learn how to type.
So yeah, so we have to, we have to force some of the technology on him.
But what’s interesting is like, his default for technology is something that like
we’ve had to get to over the course of 30 years, right?
That’s, where they’re starting from, like,
they’re like, you know, the whole idea of standing on the shoulders of giants, right?
Imagine what our kids generation does to technology,
just because they didn’t have to learn it,
it was something that they breathed from there from birth on.
You are so right. And when you look back, like 30 years,
you know, yeah, of course, like the the advance of technology
since we’ve been alive is… it’s been crazy.
But yeah, now they’re being born into this.
And it’s already here, what they can layer on top of it,
when they come of age to start playing around,
and this whole AI thing. And to use an analogy I use with my kids.
That’s how everyone’s great. I’ve never heard that one,
I’m gonna start using that. But I say to my kids,
you could possibly be the last generation.
So my 13 year old you could possibly be the last generation
that needs to learn how to drive a car. After that, it’s, there’s gonna be no need.
Yeah, it’s crazy. It’s crazy. And you know…
where does that lead us to the future of education,
it’s already far behind what we have today.
So if it doesn’t change in the next 10 years,
and this is a, like a layer on top of the homeschooling summit
that we’re that we’re putting together
behind that is going to be something called Galileo,
which is going to be
when I was talking about work is going to go freelance,
we see that in the teaching and education professions as well.
We’ve got all of these teachers
many of these teachers are stuck in the system as well.
They’re in a system. And they see that the system and they’re being told
what to teach and in a certain way, and they can’t get their selves across
and that they’re probably not enjoying school as much as the kids aren’t enjoying school.
So if we can take teaching online, where we have a place where like your kids, for example,
if your kid wants to learn about typing, maybe there’s a type of teacher,
he can connect with once or twice a week for 30 or 40 bucks or something,
to learn typing in the manner that he wants to learn it.
But then, we could have, like this online platform where we’re connecting
teachers with passions,
especially specific niche passions,
to students that want to really get with that specific niche.
You can connect with experts, like the curriculum,
the school curriculum that my son is going through right now…
he’s in the fourth grade. And one of the things that I’ve been really blown away by
is because of our choice in the school,
we have the ability to put him like, you know, if he was in fourth grade
and public school, he would have the history teacher that was assigned, you know,
that lives in that area and is assigned to the fourth grade history teaching. Right?
My son’s history teacher is one of the like,
preeminent historians for World History in the country. Right.
Like, he’s an expert’s expert in the space.
Wow. Like, that’s the kind of thing that you can do when you’re homeschooling
like same kind of thing. Like the guy who is teaching my son science
on his science curriculum is an entomologist, right?
And they studied entomology on the fourth grade.
And he’s not just, he’s not just a scientist, teacher, he’s like,
legitimately a PhD in entomology, and is putting together, I guess,
he does a couple of things, it’s entomology and a few other things.
But either way, like, you can connect your students with people who are
at the top of their field, and learn from those people.
Which is just not something that you have available to you. Right.
And that’s not to say that your teachers who are at the local schools aren’t any good,
they’re probably fantastic. But there’s something to be said for someone
who is at the top of their field, teaching your kids.
who’s to say that PhD doctor and whatever, has reached age 55, or 60,
and is forced to retire? Because now, but he still has so much to give,
coming on to platforms now, where technology allows them
to connect with people all over the world, they can carry on.
Teachers are born teachers, they don’t do it for money,
but he can still she can still sustain a lifestyle and at the same time,
passion for teaching and mentoring.
And I think that’s where the education needs to go.
Yeah, it’s totally going to change everything that’s happening.
I think that we live in one of the most exciting times ever,
which I know I think every generation thinks that but you know, yeah,
they might actually be true. Yeah, so we live in some really cool times.
So let me let me move on a little bit.
Last couple of questions here in the interview is your own personal heroes, right?
Frodo had Gandalf. Luke had Obi-Wan. Robert Kiyosaki had his rich dad.
Who were some of your heroes? Were they real-life mentors?
Were they speakers or authors?
Were they peers who were just a few years ahead of you?
And how important were they to what you accomplished
in your sales training business or in the homeschooling business
that you guys are getting started?
I already held his book up. Tim Ferriss.
I mean, that was the unlocker. If it wasn’t for that book,
I could still be sat in that in that same seat.
So big up, Tim, since then, I’ve started reading more,
and learning about more people in that circle.
And his podcast introduces you to some amazing people.
Seth Godin is another one. I think Seth Godin.
Wow, that guy is just incredible, like his insights into that education as well.
His insights into sales and marketing.
And, you know, he’s one of the changing policies and driving forces behind that.
So I would pick those two out.
For sure, yeah.
Cool. And last question I always ask is basically your guiding principles.
What are top one or two principles or actions that you apply every single day
in your business that have sort of contributed to the success
that you enjoy, and, you know,
maybe which ones you wish you had when you started?
It’s funny, I reassessed this in December,
and it’s Connect, connect, connect, and 30 to 45 minutes a day connecting,
and weather no found on the tend to be really incredible tool late,
that I think is flying under the radar.
Gary Vanderchuck is
speaking about that at the moment as well…
He’s seing like a lot of traction there.
And it’s something that I think,
is critical to connecting with people that are speaking your language
you can help and add value to.
And it’s easy to find them that they’re on LinkedIn,
you can do a hashtag search. This year, I thought, well, you know,
what do I want to do? I want to help.
If I want to help companies, if I want to help startups,
what kind of startups do I want to help?
And, you know, where can I make a difference?
And what would be the best difference?
And you know, for me, it’d be helping climate or social impact change startups,
I just started hashtag climate change, or social impact.
And who’s writing articles. And there are so many people out there,
like the CEO who’s writing articles, specifically about their area of business
and what they’re trying to do and what they’re trying to achieve.
And all you got to do is like it, comment underneath it and share it.
And then we’ll get in contact with you.
And you can open up some really high-level conversations.
So that’s what I’ve been doing.
That’s a great, great idea too and like,
we talked about this a couple of times on this show in the past
with a few other interviewees that networking is undervalued, I think, right?
Where people don’t really understand what it is they don’t they don’t really get.
What’s the picture in their head of networking?
Yeah, it’s like this negative negative thing that like I’m going out,
and I’m, you know, I’m handing my business card out
and hoping that people are going to call me back. Yeah.
And realizing the difference is like in finding people
who have a problem, you can help solve, right?
And in realizing that sometimes when you’re networking, you’re just,
you’re just giving for the sake of giving. And that comes back in the future. Right?
And like I’ve, you know, interviews like this, like, between you and I
We’ll probably turn into something in the future, regardless of you know,
who knows what, right? Yeah, and like, but that’s not something
you go into it thinking I’m going to go
and do this interview so I can get something out of it. Right.
And I don’t know that that’s some of the coolest things that have happened
in my business in my life have been as a result of connecting with good people.
It’s so true. And I don’t understand why this word: networking
is such a dirty word. It’s a dirty word like sales, it’s, again,
it comes back to using this tool, this tool that we have,
we all have this disability to connect with these people
via this medium of the internet.
You know, if you’d given a sales guy in 1982,
like the ability to connect with anybody in the world in their specific business,
where would we be today?
They were hammering phones like knuckle draggers.
But yeah, there you go, connect. That’s what I’ve been doing. So that’s the message.
Yeah, that’s awesome.
So listen, I got a closing question for you. Sure.
obviously have a love of travel. And you can see
into the future where things are going, if you.
Yeah, let me ask you this. So you
are you ever going to visit Mars?
Mars? Yeah, oh, let’s see, I have seen the SpaceX stuff.
And a few other things, talking about them putting hotels in space,
like putting a colony on the moon and stuff like that,
and potentially getting a colony on the Mars I have been thinking about that,
I think we are probably closer to having a hotel that is a,
you know, orbiting space than any of the other two.
If we get to a point where we have a colony on Mars
before I’m too old to do it, absolutely.
But I think just looking at where technology is now
I think probably one of our next steps is the space travel
where you take off in New York, and you land in London,
and they go straight up into the atmosphere and drop back down.
And it’s an hour and a half flight instead of an 18 hour flight.
That’ll probably end up being one of our first you know,
like a consumer trip to space. And probably beyond that,
it’s like one of the hotels or something like
that I could see that happening in my lifetime.
I could be totally wrong on that timeline.
So I don’t really know much about that space.
But I have thought about it before.
And I’m thinking those are the couple of things that will happen first,
and I would absolutely want to be in a position financially
to be able to afford those experiences before they get here.
Which is one of the reasons why I’m growing the business that I’m growing, right?
Because it’s allowing me the freedom to live the life I have now
and I’ll actually build the financial resources to not have those limited choices in the future.
Cool, cool answer.
How about you? Well, you know, when you go to Mars?
Conflicted on it. Conflicted.
It’s like a four year journey. That have to cut that down.
Yeah, it’s an interesting one. Most people say no.
And then a follow up question is okay,
would you visit your grandkids on Mars?
is weird to think that this is going to be
an option on our table as humanity? It’s um,
it’s just like, wow, just like huge hemp?
Have you ever read Orson Scott Card’s “Ender’s Game” series?
So Ender’s Game is the best selling sci-fi novel pretty much every year since 1978.
And it sells out of print every year beacuse it is ridiculously good.
But the books following the bat, he’s got a trilogy of books.
And one of the things that they have is
they have something it’s called the “ansible.”
The ansible is based on you know, pretty regularly in science fiction,
they talk about zero space, or some concept they’re in right?
z space, zero space, negative space, dark matter.
They’re all sort of in that same vein of like,
there’s something that we can pop ourselves out of this existence
and pop back in somewhere else.
They use it as a instantaneous form of communication,
And I would imagine that some form of instantaneous communication
will be the foundation of the desire to move
and colonize other places that are far away. Right?
Because it’s the connection with our fellow human beings
that makes things like a four-year journey or a 10 year journey or like,
gotta be frozen and stick out there. It’s the communication with
our fellow humans that probably emotionally holds us back from giving it our all
So I would imagine that that’ll be a …
aside from energy, right? Figuring out the energy, energy thing,
but energy and communication, I think are the big,
the big leaps that we need to make before we start getting into space travel.
Yeah, man, what big topics would you be having?
If you had 10 years ago, and still in your job? I mean,
do you feel as though like travel was taking you out of that kind of fixed mindset.
I was an incredibly Uber nerdy kid.
So when I was in high school, my friends and I used to read books about science
and space travel. And we had those discussions like
late at night sitting in the backyard looking at the stars,
I totally would have been. But anyways, probably not with the same level of clarity
and like thoughts on, you know, like the freedom to travel
and freedom to do some of those things. It was more than like,
that’d be cool if it happens in our lifetime. And it’d be cool to watch like,
the wealthy people go do that. But not with the same understanding
that I have now, where it’s like, really, if you want it
anything that’s available is open if you’re willing to, you know,
basically work your ass off for it.
Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, well, I’m sorry to steal your last question.
Go ahead. No, no problem. One last thing I do on every show,
I call it The HERO Challenge. Hero challenge is pretty simple.
Do you have someone in your life your business network
that you think has a really cool entrepreneurial story
that you think we should bring on the show and have them tell their story?
A, who is it?
and B, why do you think they would be good to come on the show?
Hmm. I like it.
Probably Brandon, Brandon Pierce. He’s from the same ilk as us.
You know, his family have been traveling for 10 years
and the story is pretty amazing.
…should be able to inspire many of your listeners to challenge the
challenge their thinking, and yes, I think he’s probably going to be the guy.
Awesome. Okay, so Brandon Pierce will definitely connect later
and see if we can we can get him on the show.
Last thing is where can people find you if they either
A, want to pick up on your sales training if you’re still offering that
or B, pick up your books?
Where can they get a hold on this homeschooling summer?
Where can they find some of these things? If they’re looking?
Our family website is…
so my surname is Prince.
So it’s PrincesOffTheGrid.
That’s what we
.weebly.com I still use that free domain.
PrincessOffTheGrid.weebly.com It turned into you know,
it was just supposed to be a blog to keep friends and family
and I’ve just never changed it.
There you can head and you can connect to us there via email,
find our Facebook page details there.
Find my Twitter details there, though it’s all there on the blog.
The book is available on on Amazon.
But again, it’s all on the blog
just click a link so it’s probably best to go to PrincesOffTheGrid.Weebly.com today.
And what about the homeschooling summit that you guys are putting together
I’m not sure how much of my audience as homeschoolers,
but I know I’m at least interested.
Yeah, absolutely. That would be …
Do you want me to provide you with a link?
Yeah, go ahead and say right here.
Oh, nice, nice, easy one Homeschooling-Summit.com.
And that’s happening this June. You said?
Yes, mid June.
Awesome. I look forward to seeing that.
And if you want to check out the
the online education thing like hitting up freelance teachers
with freelance students, then that would be Galileo. That’s G A L I L E O. GalileoXP.com.
Cool. I’ll put all those in the show notes here for people
so they can check them out. And Daniel, thank you so much for coming on.
It’s been a pleasure speaking with you.
It’s good to have you out for the for the interview.
No problem at all. It’s been a pleasure.
Thank you very much, Richard, and we’ll talk again soon.
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